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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 02:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky. Maybe I am simple but I do not see the connection to what you are saying. I have begun again to read this site, and it&#039;s very informative, for pleasure and to, at times, engage in a discussion for pleasure.

Associating that to my original comments about making up my own mind of what I like or dislike, regardless of others&#039; opinions, seems disconnected.

By the way, I am A-OK with anyone who writes critiques and has an audience that will listen/read. Nothing wrong with that.

As I have said, the benefit I have had from reading after others is to be introduced to new artists that I otherwise would not have known. However, I simply pick up the name and do my own listening regardless if one tells me it is good or not before I have ever had a chance to listen for myself. 

If that is part of what the accepted definition of a music critic is, then I will accept that part of it. But not one&#039;s opinions concerning the viability and quality of said artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky. Maybe I am simple but I do not see the connection to what you are saying. I have begun again to read this site, and it&#8217;s very informative, for pleasure and to, at times, engage in a discussion for pleasure.</p>
<p>Associating that to my original comments about making up my own mind of what I like or dislike, regardless of others&#8217; opinions, seems disconnected.</p>
<p>By the way, I am A-OK with anyone who writes critiques and has an audience that will listen/read. Nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p>As I have said, the benefit I have had from reading after others is to be introduced to new artists that I otherwise would not have known. However, I simply pick up the name and do my own listening regardless if one tells me it is good or not before I have ever had a chance to listen for myself. </p>
<p>If that is part of what the accepted definition of a music critic is, then I will accept that part of it. But not one&#8217;s opinions concerning the viability and quality of said artists.</p>
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		<title>By: adam sine</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam sine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, a good country critic needs to focus on country music and good artists. It&#039;s a waste of time to have to read thru reviews on teeny-bopper artists like Taylor Smith.  I&#039;m glad the world is realizing wat a Skan k she is, sleeping with tons of guys and then trying to pretend she&#039;s something.  That&#039;t why I think sites like country universe and California country are some of the best critics. CU reviews real country and real artists like Brad paicely and Carrie Underwood and other people.  They don&#039;t even mention ho Smith anymore, or review her albums or songs except to say they suck. Other critics should follow their lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, a good country critic needs to focus on country music and good artists. It&#8217;s a waste of time to have to read thru reviews on teeny-bopper artists like Taylor Smith.  I&#8217;m glad the world is realizing wat a Skan k she is, sleeping with tons of guys and then trying to pretend she&#8217;s something.  That&#8217;t why I think sites like country universe and California country are some of the best critics. CU reviews real country and real artists like Brad paicely and Carrie Underwood and other people.  They don&#8217;t even mention ho Smith anymore, or review her albums or songs except to say they suck. Other critics should follow their lead.</p>
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		<title>By: SunsetPark</title>
		<link>http://www.engine145.com/your-take-the-critics-role/#comment-113416</link>
		<dc:creator>SunsetPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m often reminded that most people in the world don’t have the time or the inclination to pore over all the music being made or all the writing about it, nor should they be expected to&quot;...Jewly
I am one of those who don&#039;t have the time (unfortunately to some extent, and by choice to some extent), but I greatly appreciate reading a well written review/commentary that can help me sort through the music out there.  I look to a critic for a general sorting of what is available, but since they aren&#039;t me, they need to be putting in enough details that I can figure where my opinion of the topic is likely to be (particularly after reading multiple pieces from the same critic, and listening to the music product).  
I personally wouldn&#039;t call someone a critic if they couldn&#039;t produce a well written review/commentary.  You are writing about a product that is partially written word that is already out there...if you can&#039;t write well, don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m often reminded that most people in the world don’t have the time or the inclination to pore over all the music being made or all the writing about it, nor should they be expected to&#8221;&#8230;Jewly<br />
I am one of those who don&#8217;t have the time (unfortunately to some extent, and by choice to some extent), but I greatly appreciate reading a well written review/commentary that can help me sort through the music out there.  I look to a critic for a general sorting of what is available, but since they aren&#8217;t me, they need to be putting in enough details that I can figure where my opinion of the topic is likely to be (particularly after reading multiple pieces from the same critic, and listening to the music product).<br />
I personally wouldn&#8217;t call someone a critic if they couldn&#8217;t produce a well written review/commentary.  You are writing about a product that is partially written word that is already out there&#8230;if you can&#8217;t write well, don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: SamB</title>
		<link>http://www.engine145.com/your-take-the-critics-role/#comment-113344</link>
		<dc:creator>SamB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, Jewly and others, thanks for answering my query with such a detailed response. It&#039;s indeed much as I thought, but with a lot more insight and reasoning than I would ever have managed to put into words!

And that last half-sentence basically sums up why I read (good) critics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, Jewly and others, thanks for answering my query with such a detailed response. It&#8217;s indeed much as I thought, but with a lot more insight and reasoning than I would ever have managed to put into words!</p>
<p>And that last half-sentence basically sums up why I read (good) critics!</p>
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		<title>By: Luckyoldsun</title>
		<link>http://www.engine145.com/your-take-the-critics-role/#comment-113322</link>
		<dc:creator>Luckyoldsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a bit funny when somebody writes &quot;I&#039;m not influenced at all by and I don&#039;t care about anything a critic has to say...yada yada yada....&quot;--since the person writing it is evidently part of the comparatively minute part of the overall music-listening population that cares enough not only to read a speciallized music site, but to actually post to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a bit funny when somebody writes &#8220;I&#8217;m not influenced at all by and I don&#8217;t care about anything a critic has to say&#8230;yada yada yada&#8230;.&#8221;&#8211;since the person writing it is evidently part of the comparatively minute part of the overall music-listening population that cares enough not only to read a speciallized music site, but to actually post to it.</p>
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		<title>By: nm</title>
		<link>http://www.engine145.com/your-take-the-critics-role/#comment-113297</link>
		<dc:creator>nm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, speaking as a fan I know a lot about the music that I like. I expect a critic to know about the music that I like, too; but I also expect a critic to know about music that I don&#039;t like, or dislike, or might like if they brought me to it. And not just new music by artists I know, and not just music by artists similar to the ones I know, old or new. And not just music in the same general catch-all category. I expect critics to be familiar with a lot of categories and genres, over a big sweep of time. That provides the context, and that&#039;s the expertise that they have that I, as a fan, don&#039;t have a responsibility to have. And anyone who sets up to be a critic without working to have that wider background is just a fan with a swelled head.

And in addition to being knowledgeable (and writing well), critics also have to have insight into the music, not just knowledge of it. That&#039;s why it&#039;s still worth reading Pauline Kael&#039;s writing about movies, or Ellen Willis&#039;s on rock, or Lester Bangs on punk, or G.B. Shaw&#039;s on theater: they help to define genres, deepen our understanding of what&#039;s going on, and challenge the artists to do better and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, speaking as a fan I know a lot about the music that I like. I expect a critic to know about the music that I like, too; but I also expect a critic to know about music that I don&#8217;t like, or dislike, or might like if they brought me to it. And not just new music by artists I know, and not just music by artists similar to the ones I know, old or new. And not just music in the same general catch-all category. I expect critics to be familiar with a lot of categories and genres, over a big sweep of time. That provides the context, and that&#8217;s the expertise that they have that I, as a fan, don&#8217;t have a responsibility to have. And anyone who sets up to be a critic without working to have that wider background is just a fan with a swelled head.</p>
<p>And in addition to being knowledgeable (and writing well), critics also have to have insight into the music, not just knowledge of it. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s still worth reading Pauline Kael&#8217;s writing about movies, or Ellen Willis&#8217;s on rock, or Lester Bangs on punk, or G.B. Shaw&#8217;s on theater: they help to define genres, deepen our understanding of what&#8217;s going on, and challenge the artists to do better and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.engine145.com/your-take-the-critics-role/#comment-113286</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree with the above points with regard to the importance of context.  My comments certainly didn&#039;t touch on all aspects of what a music critic does, but were mainly making the point that I don&#039;t personally consider the distinction between &quot;critic&quot; and &quot;fan&quot; as vast as people tend to see it.  And I certainly don&#039;t mean to oversimplify or undervalue the work of fine folks such as Mr. Mazor and Ms. Hight, whose work I hold in the highest regard.  Thanks to Jewly, Barry, and Jon for an enlightening exchange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree with the above points with regard to the importance of context.  My comments certainly didn&#8217;t touch on all aspects of what a music critic does, but were mainly making the point that I don&#8217;t personally consider the distinction between &#8220;critic&#8221; and &#8220;fan&#8221; as vast as people tend to see it.  And I certainly don&#8217;t mean to oversimplify or undervalue the work of fine folks such as Mr. Mazor and Ms. Hight, whose work I hold in the highest regard.  Thanks to Jewly, Barry, and Jon for an enlightening exchange.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewly H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewly H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, your point that we critics professionally obsess over music is well taken. I’m often reminded that most people in the world don’t have the time or the inclination to pore over all the music being made or all the writing about it, nor should they be expected to. There is a certain degree of geekdom involved here. But I experience a difference between listening to music or attending a show purely as a fan and doing those things for the sake of research, the latter of which takes me to a more consciously analytical, thinking-on-my-feet sort of place. 

Matt and Jon brought up what I consider to be one of the essentials of music criticism: context. Whether I’m on the writing end or the reading end of this stuff, I don’t see much worth in opinions floating around in the ether. The criticism I like to read, and hope to write, situates music within a performer’s career, a musical tradition, a genre’s history, the broader, genre-spanning musical landscape, a cultural moment—something bigger. Then it’s not simply an issue of liking/disliking a song, but trying to get at what impulses are at work in that piece of music, what it’s responding to or contributing. To do that well, I think, takes not only knowledge but interpretive skill. The writers I read on a weekly basis, I read because I really want to know what they hear going on in this or that performance. And to answer your question, SamB, I agree wholeheartedly with Barry that taking seriously what the audience cares about can, and frequently should, be a part of this.

I’d add, Kent, that there are a number of music critic’s—Ann Powers being one of my faves—who make a habit of actively, thoughtfully engaging with what you call “light fluffy pop,” if that’s something you’re looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, your point that we critics professionally obsess over music is well taken. I’m often reminded that most people in the world don’t have the time or the inclination to pore over all the music being made or all the writing about it, nor should they be expected to. There is a certain degree of geekdom involved here. But I experience a difference between listening to music or attending a show purely as a fan and doing those things for the sake of research, the latter of which takes me to a more consciously analytical, thinking-on-my-feet sort of place. </p>
<p>Matt and Jon brought up what I consider to be one of the essentials of music criticism: context. Whether I’m on the writing end or the reading end of this stuff, I don’t see much worth in opinions floating around in the ether. The criticism I like to read, and hope to write, situates music within a performer’s career, a musical tradition, a genre’s history, the broader, genre-spanning musical landscape, a cultural moment—something bigger. Then it’s not simply an issue of liking/disliking a song, but trying to get at what impulses are at work in that piece of music, what it’s responding to or contributing. To do that well, I think, takes not only knowledge but interpretive skill. The writers I read on a weekly basis, I read because I really want to know what they hear going on in this or that performance. And to answer your question, SamB, I agree wholeheartedly with Barry that taking seriously what the audience cares about can, and frequently should, be a part of this.</p>
<p>I’d add, Kent, that there are a number of music critic’s—Ann Powers being one of my faves—who make a habit of actively, thoughtfully engaging with what you call “light fluffy pop,” if that’s something you’re looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Mazor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Mazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SamB, for many working critics  (and again, I&#039;m not talking about &quot;I like/ I dunlike--pick one&quot; reviewers, but writers turned to for more than that)  understanding the context, (as Jon was pointing out),is absolutely necessary, and that definitely includes what the audience you&#039;re attempting to address is thinking, cares about, and  most importantly, assumes.  You have to be able to understand and address those things, which have little to do with personal taste, to be a professional.  And you have to have a thick knowledge base to be turned to by more demanding publication, which have endless voices they could choose from and know what they want.

What questions about the music in question I&#039;d even bring up, or understand that I&#039;d better clarify or explain before going further with, is going to be different at, say, small specialist publications or sites with particularly well-versed readers (and commenters),  a site where the knowledge base and interest in acquiring one appear less vigorous,  paper with, say, a couple of million readers, or a book marketed in particular directions.  

And then--then--you have to be unafraid of being subjective; this is not science, and having worked out, articulated ideas is not a curse or an insult to anybody.  My own experience is that artists with smarts and passion who care about the direction of their own work generally appreciate the thought, and almost always--the attention. 

There are commentators in most fields of art who have contributed to the field&#039;s direction and to opening up possibilities, just as there are artists who have--and also those who haven&#039;t. It&#039;s not always in the job description.

Don&#039;t necessarily believe every bit of  belligerent &quot;opinions are like a-holes, everybody&#039;s got one&quot; posturing, not unknown around the country field, as either the  truthful or the full feeling of the mouth emitting the noise.  It just might not be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SamB, for many working critics  (and again, I&#8217;m not talking about &#8220;I like/ I dunlike&#8211;pick one&#8221; reviewers, but writers turned to for more than that)  understanding the context, (as Jon was pointing out),is absolutely necessary, and that definitely includes what the audience you&#8217;re attempting to address is thinking, cares about, and  most importantly, assumes.  You have to be able to understand and address those things, which have little to do with personal taste, to be a professional.  And you have to have a thick knowledge base to be turned to by more demanding publication, which have endless voices they could choose from and know what they want.</p>
<p>What questions about the music in question I&#8217;d even bring up, or understand that I&#8217;d better clarify or explain before going further with, is going to be different at, say, small specialist publications or sites with particularly well-versed readers (and commenters),  a site where the knowledge base and interest in acquiring one appear less vigorous,  paper with, say, a couple of million readers, or a book marketed in particular directions.  </p>
<p>And then&#8211;then&#8211;you have to be unafraid of being subjective; this is not science, and having worked out, articulated ideas is not a curse or an insult to anybody.  My own experience is that artists with smarts and passion who care about the direction of their own work generally appreciate the thought, and almost always&#8211;the attention. </p>
<p>There are commentators in most fields of art who have contributed to the field&#8217;s direction and to opening up possibilities, just as there are artists who have&#8211;and also those who haven&#8217;t. It&#8217;s not always in the job description.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t necessarily believe every bit of  belligerent &#8220;opinions are like a-holes, everybody&#8217;s got one&#8221; posturing, not unknown around the country field, as either the  truthful or the full feeling of the mouth emitting the noise.  It just might not be.</p>
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		<title>By: SamB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, first and foremost the purpose of a music critic is to be entertaining. Everything else comes after that. A critic can be writing the most insightful material, with the best deconstructions and analyses of songs and albums, but if it&#039;s not interestingly written, I won&#039;t read it.

Secondly though, a critic is someone who helps me find new music that I&#039;m going to like. It very much helps to be familiar with a writer and their taste, as Rick alludes to, as it can give further insight into what I&#039;m going to like and not like. I&#039;m generally familiar enough with a few of the writers here and on other sites, people like Juli, Ben, Blake, Kevin, to be able to put what they write into my own context. I know they have their own taste which sometimes overlaps with mine and sometimes doesn&#039;t, but as I&#039;ve learned about these people, I&#039;ve become better able to judge the likelihood that a song or album will be to my taste.

One question I&#039;ve often thought about in regard to critics - do you always review based on your own opinions and prejudices when it comes to music? Or is there an aspect of &#039;well, I don&#039;t really like this, but I can see why it&#039;s good and why others would like it&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, first and foremost the purpose of a music critic is to be entertaining. Everything else comes after that. A critic can be writing the most insightful material, with the best deconstructions and analyses of songs and albums, but if it&#8217;s not interestingly written, I won&#8217;t read it.</p>
<p>Secondly though, a critic is someone who helps me find new music that I&#8217;m going to like. It very much helps to be familiar with a writer and their taste, as Rick alludes to, as it can give further insight into what I&#8217;m going to like and not like. I&#8217;m generally familiar enough with a few of the writers here and on other sites, people like Juli, Ben, Blake, Kevin, to be able to put what they write into my own context. I know they have their own taste which sometimes overlaps with mine and sometimes doesn&#8217;t, but as I&#8217;ve learned about these people, I&#8217;ve become better able to judge the likelihood that a song or album will be to my taste.</p>
<p>One question I&#8217;ve often thought about in regard to critics &#8211; do you always review based on your own opinions and prejudices when it comes to music? Or is there an aspect of &#8216;well, I don&#8217;t really like this, but I can see why it&#8217;s good and why others would like it&#8217;?</p>
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