Your Take: Grammy Contenders

Karlie Justus Marlowe | December 4th, 2010

In Thursday’s News Roundup, Brody included a link to the Grammy nominations for the country genre.

The line-up is as follows:

Best Female Country Vocal Performance
“Satisfied” – Jewel
“The House That Built Me” – Miranda Lambert
“Swingin'” – LeAnn Rimes
“Temporary Home” – Carrie Underwood
“I’d Love To Be Your Last” – Gretchen Wilson

Best Male Country Vocal Performance
“Macon” – Jamey Johnson
“Cryin’ For Me (Wayman’s Song)” – Toby Keith
“Turning Home” – David Nail
“‘Til Summer Comes Around” – Keith Urban
“Gettin’ You Home” – Chris Young

Best Country Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals
“Free” – Zac Brown Band
“Elizabeth” – Dailey & Vincent
“Need You Now” – Lady Antebellum
“Little White Church” – Little Big Town
“Where Rainbows Never Die” – The SteelDrivers

Best Country Collaboration With Vocals
“Bad Angel” – Dierks Bentley, Miranda Lambert & Jamey Johnson
“Pride (In The Name Of Love)” – Dierks Bentley, Del McCoury & The Punch Brothers
“As She’s Walking Away” – Zac Brown Band & Alan Jackson
“Hillbilly Bone” – Blake Shelton & Trace Adkins
“I Run To You” – Marty Stuart & Connie Smith

Best Country Instrumental Performance
“Tattoo Of A Smudge” – Cherryholmes
“Magic #9″ – The Infamous Stringdusters
“New Chance Blues” – Punch Brothers
“Willow Creek” – Darrell Scott
“Hummingbyrd” – Marty Stuart

Best Country Song
“The Breath You Take” – Casey Beathard, Dean Dillon & Jessie Jo Dillon, songwriters (George Strait)
“Free” – Zac Brown, songwriter (Zac Brown Band)
“The House That Built Me” – Tom Douglas & Allen Shamblin, songwriters (Miranda Lambert)
“I’d Love To Be Your Last” – Rivers Rutherford, Annie Tate & Sam Tate, songwriters (Gretchen Wilson)
“If I Die Young” – Kimberly Perry, songwriter (The Band Perry)
“Need You Now” – Dave Haywood, Josh Kear, Charles Kelley & Hillary Scott, songwriters (Lady
Antebellum)

Best Country Album
Up On The Ridge – Dierks Bentley
You Get What You Give – Zac Brown Band
The Guitar Song – Jamey Johnson
Need You Now – Lady Antebellum
Revolution – Miranda Lambert

What are your thoughts on the 2010 country nominations? What are your predictions? Do you think country music has a stronger line-up of contenders this year than in previous years?

  1. Vicki
    December 4, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Broader list of nominations for sure. I wonder if LeAnn Rimes is getting the sympathy vote like the Dixie Chicks got but then LeAnn did sing the heck out of that song. Really surprised at the Gretchen Wilson nominations.

    The Album of the year will probably go to Miranda but if I had to vote, it would definitely be Jamey Johnson to win.

    Definitely a more traditional country voting-no noms for Sugarland. I love that Chris Young and Little Big Town also got nominations.

    My predictions: FVP-Miranda; will win: Miranda
    MVP: David Nail, Chris Young; will win: Keith?

    Duo or group:Little Big Town; will win Lady A

    Coll: Zak Brown/Alan Jackson; will win: Blake/Trace

    Country instrumental: Cherryholmes; will win?

    Best Country song: The House that Built Me

    Best Album: Jamey Johnson; will win: Miranda

  2. WAYNOE
    December 4, 2010 at 7:38 am

    Good to see Marty Stuart nominated for his great work on his recent album. Hurray for Ms Connie. What a class act.

    Good also to see Cherryholmes. They are incomparable.

    It would be a quality move to see “Up On the Ridge” or “Guitar Song” win.

  3. Ben Foster
    December 4, 2010 at 8:47 am

    A very strong line-up in the Best Country Album category, but there are a few awfully weak nominees for Best Country Song (most notably “The Breath You Take”).

    Best Country Collaboration with Vocals should go to Marty Stuart and Connie Smith, because anything Connie Smith collaborates on is automatically the best country collaboration. But I can’t say I would be surprised if Blake and Trace took it instead.

  4. Razor X
    December 4, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Good to see Marty Stuart nominated for his great work on his recent album. Hurray for Ms Connie. What a class act.

    I’ll second that.

  5. Code
    December 4, 2010 at 10:00 am

    I am APPAULED at the female vocal categories. Carrie and Miranda earned and deserved it, BUT Gretchen, jewel and leann over reba REALLY!!!! I Can admit that reba didnt deserve one for turn on the radio. BUT she definitely deserved a nod for i keep on loving you. I have never been more pissed at a nomination IN MY LIFE.COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!!!

  6. Code
    December 4, 2010 at 10:02 am

    You can hate reba all you want, and call her a sell out, but you CAN NOT deny that she deserved a nomination!!!

  7. Thomas
    December 4, 2010 at 10:18 am

    …these nominations are, as any nomination, debateable, but they reflect pretty well what 2010 has been in country music – a good year.

  8. Joey
    December 4, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Where’s Laura Bell Bundy? Revolution will definitely win Country album of the year.

  9. PJ
    December 4, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Ask Blake Shelton about Laura Bell Bundy. He is the one that let his tweets know about her good music. As Laura Bell says, he tweeted daily about her cd…very supportive. I for one found out I did not care for it!! I’m thinking Miranda’s revolution will win this!!!

  10. ...
    December 4, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Excited for the love for Miranda, Dierks, Little Big Town, Chris Young, “If I Die Young”, and the Punch Brothers. Hate “The Breath You Take” and “Hillbilly Bone”, but pleasantly surprised at Gretchen’s nomination (that’s one of the few good/great songs on a bad album). I’d say it’ll be lots of Miranda and Lady A come awards time, but Jamey Johnson could sneak in and sweep his categories quite easily.

  11. Lewis
    December 4, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    I have some questions that need explaining.

    Why is LeAnn Rimes nominated at all? Her version of Swingin’ flopped and her new single is flopping big time and the new album is pushed back yet again. What’s so special about her?

    Why are non-charting singles or album cuts being nominated? I have never heard anything of Gretchen Wilson’s album save for Work Hard, Play Harder and the same goes for Dierks Bentley and his “bluegrass” album which has officially flopped for him so anything won from Dierks would be a surprise.

    Is this the first time Connie Smith has been nominated for a Grammy? Seems like that it’s not, but wonder if it’s her first time or not and is “I Run To You” the Lady Antebellum song or another song entirely?

  12. Matt Bjorke
    December 4, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Lewis,

    Dierks Bentley’s album hasn’t ‘flopped’ While not a world beater, it is a solid selling album, particularly for something not aimed at the Mainstream. Add in the universal praise from ‘critics’ and the industry itself, it’s easy to see how Dierks is experiencing the best reviews of his career.

    Grammy nominations are NEVER 100% about what is popular on the radio. They’re selected from submitted songs. Gretchen and LeAnn’s songs were submitted, the voters liked them and picked them over other submissions.

    “I Run To You” has nothing to do with the Lady Antebellum song of the same name.

  13. Occasional Hope
    December 4, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    And Connie Smith has had several Grammy nominations, but hasn’t won one.

  14. Troy
    December 4, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    @Lewis songs that aren’t singles can be nominated because the singers/recrod labels submits they songs they think have the best chance of getting nominated

    And the Grammy aren’t out about sales, the are about Quality.

  15. Vicki
    December 4, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    “and the Grammy aren’t about sales, they are about Quality”

    Uh..remember last year?

  16. Razor X
    December 4, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Last year notwithstanding, there are usually some differences between the artists who win Grammys vs. the ones who win the CMAs and ACMs. I’d love to see Marty Stuart and Connie Smith win, but I think it’s probably a long shot.

  17. Troy
    December 4, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    As for me with nominations I’ll be happy for female vocal: Miranda, Carrie, or Jewel and thinks Miranda will win

    Not liking the male group too much but I like Keith song the best

    Best country song: If Die Young, Need You Know, and The House that Built Me. Im it will come between Need You Now and The House that Built Me but both very good for different reason so I don’t know who the grammy voters are going prefer

    Best Album: Miranda revolution. While I like Lady A there to much filler for me to say best album, didn’t like either The Guitar song, or You get what you give, and I havn’t listened to Dierks cd yet so I’ll have to do that before offical backing Miranda.

  18. Razor X
    December 4, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    You can hate reba all you want, and call her a sell out, but you CAN NOT deny that she deserved a nomination!!!

    Reba doesn’t seem to be a popular choice amongst the Grammy voters for whatever reason. She’s been nominated several times but surprisingly has only won twice.

  19. Matt Bjorke
    December 4, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Vicki,

    What you or I determine to be ‘quality’ is subjective, hence the phrase “There’s no accounting for taste.” So regardless of whether you like what happened at the Grammy Award show last year (Taylor Swift, Black Eyed Peas/Kanye/Beyonce) being big nominees and winners, somebody out there thinks they’re ‘quality.’

  20. Troy
    December 4, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Uh..remember last year?

    I do remember last year, I agreed with them and the grammy always doesn’t go to the person with most sales. Just because people had a hissy fit because Taylor won an award that has the word vocal performance in it because people didn’t really understand that vocal performance had nothing to do with how strong of a techincal singer someone may be. And has absolutly nothing to do with live vocals.

    People just don’t understand the category right if it was which vocal performance is the best techical Mariah Carey wouldn’t have lost with Emotions to Lets give them something to talk about or Hero losing to All I wanna do sheryl crow.

  21. Lewis
    December 4, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Matt: “Up On The Ridge” is considered a flop due to the fact that both singles are his lowest charting singles ever and self said album hasn’t been certified Gold. Up until UOTR, all of Dierks’ albums were certified Gold. Jamey Johnson’s “The Guitar Song” album is a huge success having gone Gold in about a few months despite only one single just making Top 40 on the country charts and it has sold twice as much as Dierks’ album maybe even more than that. And I wouldn’t call UOTR a “bluegrass” album either since “Sideways” a single from Dierks’ prior album is considered much more bluegrass with banjo and fiddle than UOTR or Draw Me A Map will ever be and that went to #1.

  22. Jon
    December 4, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Ah, now Lewis is an expert on bluegrass. Nice.

    Try googling “Up On The Ridge” and “flop” and see what you get (hint: Lewis is using that passive construction – “is considered a flop” – to disguise the fact that he’s virtually alone in that opinion).

  23. Lewis
    December 4, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    And how does LeAnn’s “Swingin'” compare to any other song that has been up for a Grammy? Was John Anderson’s original version nominated for a Grammy way back in 1983? Why wasn’t Martina McBride’s “Wrong Baby Wrong” considered for a nomination or any other female artist besides LeAnn and Gretchen Wilson getting nominated for just being there more than anything else? And I didn’t get my original question answered why Rimes was nominated in the first place either because her version of “Swingin'” really didn’t do it for me.

  24. Troy
    December 4, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    “And I didn’t get my original question answered why Rimes was nominated in the first place either because her version of “Swingin’” really didn’t do it for me.”

    Because you weren’t the one voting on who gets nominated

  25. Lewis
    December 4, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Jon: Sideways is much more a bluegrass song than Up On The Ridge will ever be. Dierks made an album that he considered bluegrass when to me it’s an average Dierks Bentley album that failed to produce any huge singles and there’s no difference between Sideways and Up On The Ridge except for the fact that Sideways is a better bluegrass song than UOTR.

    And I would consider Alison Krauss much more of a bluegrass artist than everyone put together and deserved every Grammy she has gotten either alone, with Union Station or with Robert Plant. Dierks doesn’t even touch Alison Krauss in the bluegrass department. At least he tried to make a bluegrass album but he’s not Bill Monroe, Flatt and Scruggs, The Osborne Brothers either.

  26. Lewis
    December 4, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    And for Jon and the reason why I think that Sideways is much more a bluegrass song than Up On The Ridge.

    Lyrically:

    Sideways: Hey, now here we go, DJ please play something slow, gotta get going back some more (repeated once more), wanna get a little sideways.

    Up On The Ridge: Won’t you come with me tonight where moonlight drifts across the sky? I just want one little kiss just leave me high up on the ridge.

    Basically both bluegrass oriented.

  27. Matt Bjorke
    December 4, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Lewis,Up On The Ridge has sold 180,080 through last week, Jamey Johnson’s “Gold” That Lonesome Song 196,541. Has it taken Jamey less time to get there, yes but he’s hardly selling ‘double’ what you say. RIAA certifies two-disc albums as Gold for 250,000 shipped. So by your ‘definition’ of failure Jamey’s right there with Dierks.

  28. kris
    December 4, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    @Lewis having a banjo makes a song bluegrass? Sideways is pure rock and roll chord progressions, and lyrically is obviously a radio song (“DJ don’t you play nothing slow, keep those girls out on the floor”). Its an ok tune but has not even a pretense of bluegrass.. …except for your aforementioned banjo. In which case, “save a horse ride a cowboy”, “what hurts the most”, and “how bout you” must also be bluegrass considering they include that instrument.

  29. Troy
    December 4, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I thought Gold was having 500,000 shipped?

  30. Lewis
    December 4, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Matt: We are talking about “The Guitar Song” here and not about “That Lonesome Song” which by the way both albums went Gold on two different accounts: One in the case for TLS and that was “In Color”‘s success and TGS for the two-disc album and one single just barely Top 40 on the country charts. Also check on all of Dierks’ previous albums and see the Gold certification by each one too. Thanks for playing the game anyways.

  31. kris
    December 4, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    And if you just compared rhyme schemes than I really am concerned.. sideways’ chorus goes “aaab” while uotr rhymes every other sentence. Honestly, sing it to yourself and you’ll see they are completely different patterns

  32. Matt Bjorke
    December 4, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Yes, I meant “The Guitar Song” but typed “That Lonesome Song. I presented the sales numbers for Dierks and Jamey’s most recent albums (as of 12/1/2010) and they’re basically the same. They BOTH have had two ‘failed’ singles by your estimation “My Way To You” reached 50 something on the charts a year ago and is on “TGS.” You can play the “Don’t confuse me with facts, my mind is made up” game all you want but that doesn’t mean that you’re right and the numbers back me up on this.

    The GOLD certification for “The Guitar Song” was for 250,000 albums shipped (to Troy) as the RIAA certifies a double album at Gold based on the two phyiscal discs counting for one sale so if a double album sells 250,000 copies, it gets a Gold certification. It’s as simple as that. So if Vince Gill’s 4 disc album had sold, 250,000 copies, it would’ve been certified platinum.

  33. Matt Bjorke
    December 4, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Lewis,

    I should add that “Feel That Fire” HAS NOT been certified Gold or Platinum. It has sold slightly more than “Up On The Ridge.”

  34. Stormy
    December 4, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    I think its a weaker line up than in many years past, but I was fairly happy with the overall best song category. I actually think that country is overall the weakest genre this year.

  35. Troy
    December 4, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    I think Country one is strong and that they were better overall than a few other genres. No way near the weakest genre Rap, contemporary R/B, or Pop. I thought Country, Dance and R/B were the stronger category

    Overall, I only had three moments where I was disapointed. I really thought Soldier of Love would get nomination for album, Rated R for pop album, album of the year. And either all the lovers or get outta my way by Kylie Minogue for dance recording.

    Nothing really surprised me on country nominations.

  36. Code
    December 4, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    @TROY nothing surprised you huh?!? So you thought leann,jewel and gretchen wouldve been nominated over reba? I dont want to seem bitter, but i have to be, i wouldnt even had minded if martina was nominated over reba, but those 3. I just dont understand.

  37. Rick
    December 4, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Sometimes the Grammy folks get it right and choose excellent non-mainstream albums, like the “Livin’, Lovin’, Losin'” Louvin Brothers tribute album a years ago. This year’s nominees are for the most part just too run of the mill for me. Its nice to see Jamey Johnson, Daily & Vincent, and The Steeldrivers in the non-instrumental categories.

    The instrumental category definitely contains the most interesting and diverse list of artists and thankfully doesn’t include Brad Paisley! (Whew.) David Nail for best male country vocal performance? Talk about coming out of left field! Crikey!

  38. Dan E
    December 4, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Who I would like to win:

    Female Country Vocal: Carrie Underwood
    Male Country Vocal: Keith Urban
    Duo or Group: Lady Antebellum
    Collaboration: Zac Brown Band/Alan Jackson
    Song: The Band Perry
    Album: Miranda Lambert

  39. Troy
    December 4, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    No not really, when i saw the nominations i didn’t think what? why didn’t that get nominated. I like Jewels song i would describe it as relaxing and pretty ha, I liked the lyrics as well. The other two i don’t really like but oh well.

    Even if Martina or Reba got nominated i don’t think either would have won and neither were personal favorites of mine, while I had Rated R down for album of the year and it didn’t even get nominated for pop album.

  40. Michael A.
    December 4, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    I was surprised to see Kylie’s omission in the Dance categories too, Troy. “Get Outta My Way” is easily my favorite single of hers in almost 10 years (probably since “Spinning Around”.

    In the country categories, the biggest surprises for me were the inclusion of Wilson, Jewel and Rimes (although I loved “Swingin”) over McEntire and McBride and the nominations for “The Breath You Take” (bad) and the Marty Stuart/Connie Smith collaboration (good).

  41. AtlantaFan
    December 4, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Female: Miranda
    Male: Chris Young
    Group: Little Big Town
    Collaboration: ZBB & AJ
    Song: The House That Built Me
    Album: Revolution

  42. Sheep
    December 4, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    About time Little Big Town gets a nod with “Little White Church.” One of the best country songs of the year, and it only peaked at #6 on the charts and got no nominations at the CMA’s.

  43. Lewis
    December 4, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    If they were going to play the game with LeAnn Rimes, Jewel and Gretchen Wilson, all of whom got nominated on the basis of “who in female country music would be suitable for a Grammy this year because none of the singles did very well or an album cut/non-single”, they would have added Lee Ann Womack’s “There Is A God” to the female country song nominations.

    Anyways, it will be a toss up between Carrie Underwood and Miranda Lambert this time around with probably Miranda getting the award because there is no virtual chance that Rimes, Jewel and Wilson will win anything.

  44. Matt Bjorke
    December 4, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Lewis,

    Who says it wasn’t up for a nomination? I’m sure her label submitted it. The grammy voters just chose the Rimes, Jewel and Wilson songs. They also liked the song well enough to make it a “Best Country Song” nominee as well.

  45. Ben Foster
    December 4, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    I might be in the majority here, but I do think that LeAnn’s “Swingin'” was deserving of a nomination, even though it wasn’t a big hit.

  46. Gator
    December 4, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    okay, people understand this thing about the female vocal award those are what they chose above all other songs nominated and while I have not heard the Gretchen Wilson song I have to say these are dang good nominations! “The House That Built Me” is incredible and beautifully executed, Carrie is simple and sweet to a touching song, Jewel I haven’t hear the song in a long time but I remeber thinking it was a good vocal, and finally the apparently controversial “Swingin'” nomination. It is an amazing performance of power and restrain not over singing and a near flawless technical vocal! Also it is just a good vocal in general that gives a classic new life. So my word to haters stop judging her on her personal life!!!! Remember when she was our little darling at 13 in 1996 thought to be Patsy reincarnated when “Blue” came out??? yeah so people stop being bitter its not like she was taking a shot at our decisions (Dixie Chicks) and its like her first time messing up for the most part.

  47. Steve M.
    December 5, 2010 at 1:30 am

    I am a bit surprised Johnny Cash’s album wasn’t nominated.

  48. Jordan Stacey
    December 5, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Gretchen I felt deserved the nomination, it’s a really good song and while I admit I’m surprised it got in there I’d have picked it for the final 5 over any of Reba’s singles, if “Maggie Creek Road” was submitted then I may have knocked “Satisfied” out. “Wrong Baby Wrong Baby Wrong” is the one I truly feel is a let down not seeing in the running but there’s only ever 5 nominees and I’m glad with what did get in.

  49. Lewis
    December 5, 2010 at 9:56 am

    I wonder how many of the people who are behind the Grammy nominations bought LeAnn Rimes’ magazine cover of her in a bikini. That might play a factor on why she was nominated in the first place besides her messing up her marriage to be with an actor with three children under his belt not to mention that the Grammy people love controversial people (The Dixie Chicks as an example) so nothing new there either.

  50. ben
    December 5, 2010 at 9:56 am

    I dig Jewel, I think she has a great voice
    Still dig Leanne stuff, but I think thers alot of politics in all these awards. There’s just to many good songs and bands. beining a songwriter I appreciate the songs that are written for these artists, some write there own like Toby, but most are just a guy or woman in a 10/10 room slugging it out for weeks making some of these great songs, then the artist gets all the glory, thats cool thats the way it is, When the artist wins, they should shout out who wrote the song. thats where it all starts, some songwriter going through some inner turmoil and frankly sometimes a living hell to create a real good song, especially some heartbreak songs. just my 2 cents
    http://www.nashvillecalifornia.com

  51. Lewis
    December 5, 2010 at 10:02 am

    And I would also say that Rimes turned Swingin’ into a total mess and that has nothing to do with her personal life either so why it got nominated over others who deserved it more like Martina McBride and Lee Ann Womack whose songs should have been nominated over Gretchen Wilson, Jewel or Rimes. It would have been better as a duet between her and John Anderson which would have been nicer to hear than her messing up the song by herself.

  52. Lewis
    December 5, 2010 at 10:09 am

    I’m also very surprised that Chely Wright didn’t get nominated for Lifted Off The Ground either but I guess when Chely admitted to the whole world that she was a lesbian that it was a strike against her too.

  53. Barry Mazor
    December 5, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Lewis, the Grammys could care less about sexual orientation.

  54. Gator
    December 5, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Lewis,
    She didn’t make “Swingin'” a mess she made it her own uping the tempo and giving a great feisty vocal. You obviously are a bias person who pays more time reading tabloids then listening to the real stuff (TALENT) so get over yourself and what ever you have against LeAnn.

  55. Fizz
    December 5, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I won’t be watching. The Grammys are just a meaningless popularity contest and a chance for music-industry insiders to wield their influence and hold a mass circle-jerk.

  56. Jon
    December 5, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Wow, that’s really sticking it to The Man, Fizz.

    Of all the things one might call the Grammys, “meaningless” is one of the dumbest. They’re certainly meaningful to many nominees and recipients, who appreciate the support of their peers and colleagues, and they’re typically meaningful to some portion of music fans who go out and buy nominated and winning recordings.

  57. Lewis
    December 5, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Gator: I don’t flaunt my life for the whole world to see and publicize it like LeAnn Rimes did/does and I take it that all of us don’t publicize our dirty laundry for all to hear. She was the one who started it all with her outside interests in the first place and country radio showed her the door so to speak so if there is any bias towards anyone it’s LeAnn Rimes herself and her publicizing her outside interests for all the world to see and continues with the swimsuit issue and constant lying about her engagement to Eddie Cibrian and making light of it like it was nothing at all to her through interviews on TV (Barbara Walters, etc.)

  58. Straight talk
    December 5, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    I tend to agree with Fizz on all but the “meaningless” part. Grammy wins still sell records and further careers.

    However, for the most part, the winners ARE the ones that sell the most records and get the most airplay, and haven’t pissed off or turned off the wrong people.

    It’s nice to see some nominations for those not included in the elite group, though. But I tend to think those nods are just a way for the power brokers to add some undeserved credibility for the awards.

    It’s the same thing when a poptry star insists they grew up listening to Patsy Cline, the Statler Bros., Merle Haggard, etc., but their music sounds like the bast***d offspring of Starland Vocal Band and Vanilla Ice.

    After all that, I’ll still be happy to see Miranda and Jamey win this year.

  59. Jon
    December 5, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    It’s nice to see some nominations for those not included in the elite group, though. But I tend to think those nods are just a way for the power brokers to add some undeserved credibility for the awards.

    Because “the power brokers” vote on the nominations. Rrriiiiggghhhtttt…

  60. Troy
    December 5, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “It’s the same thing when a poptry star insists they grew up listening to Patsy Cline, the Statler Bros., Merle Haggard, etc., but their music sounds like the bast***d offspring of Starland Vocal Band and Vanilla Ice.”

    I grew up listening to Pasty Cline and if i made an album it wouldn’t sound excatly like Patsy Cline as I grew up listening to many artist from many different genres. I’m pretty sure thats how it is for most people when they say they grew up listeing to these singers.

  61. Stormy
    December 5, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Lewis
    December 5, 2010 at 10:09 am Permalink I’m also very surprised that Chely Wright didn’t get nominated for Lifted Off The Ground either but I guess when Chely admitted to the whole world that she was a lesbian that it was a strike against her too

    They did nominate Adam Lambert.

  62. Gator
    December 5, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    ONce again her personal life has nothing to do with the quality of her music get over it and actually listen!

  63. AtlantaFan
    December 5, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Gator, I didn’t like LeAnn’s version of Swingin’, and it has nothig to do with her personal life. I didn’t even “get” her version until I saw her perform it on an awards show. I had no idea she was trying to make a 40’s dance song when I first heard it.

  64. Fizz
    December 5, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Adam Lambert is a whole different animal than Chely Wright. It’s okay to be gay in rock music, but not, apparently, in country. Anyway, Jann Wenner [Rolling Stone publisher] is on the board of the Grammys, and the way his magazine has slobbered over Adam Lambert (and Wenner’s own worst-kept-secret orientation) would make hima shoo-in.

    You got a problem with “stickin’ it to the man,” Jon? Because you use that phrase constantly. Or should we all be like you and take what we’re spoon-fed and trust that the “power brokers” know what’s best for us.

    As Straight Talk pointed out, what a way to stack the deck: nominate the artists who’ve, by and large, sold the most records and gotten the most spins, and then when one of them wins, guess what/ They’ll sell gobs more records. Win-win!

    But then, coming from a non-country background, I still remember the Jethro Tull fiasco in 1989, and the committee’s bumblign attempts to regain credibility in the years since in that particular category. “Just go for name-recognition, and we’re safe!”

    As for “Swingin,” it was a odorous ball of cheese when John Anderson did it, and it ain’t any better now.

  65. Lewis
    December 5, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Gator: LeAnn Rimes is a washed up has-been singer who decided to publicize her own dirty laundry for everyone to hear and see first hand. She cheated on her husband and decided to wreck not only her marriage but the marriage of Cibrian’s as well as his wife and three children being victims here. Her latest music shows it and country radio has ignored it but the Grammy people seem to have gobbled it up for some unknown reason in nominating her for an awful version of Swingin’. And tell me something else Gator how is Rimes’ new song “Crazy Women” doing on the charts right now? It’s not on the charts at all right now nor never will it be ever due to the fact that it’s a song about herself and her affair. What did you expect from her anyways? Being 13 years old forever? And she already has accomplished something else that has been seen many times from a singer and that is being washed up and a has-been.

  66. Troy
    December 5, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    The grammy voters aren’t thinking about the sexual oritenation of any of the people nominated.

    “And she already has accomplished something else that has been seen many times from a singer and that is being washed up and a has-been.”

    I have to laugh when people label a singer a has-been. People labeled Mariah a has-been in 2001-2002 then she came out and had the biggest song come out of the 2000’s. And Kylie Minogue got labelled that after Impossiable Princess then came a six times platnium album.

    The funniest thing I see is when people artist don’t get nominated this award show is horriable until one of the singers they personally like gets nominated oh the (insert award show) are finally getting it right. The same critera is used to decide wheather or not a song is nominated. From 2000 to 2010 once the final five were nominated I only have agreed with the winner 4 times out 11 but that doesn’t mean the 4 times I agreed that I thought the Grammy were more crediable then the 7 times I disagreed.

  67. Stormy
    December 5, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Its perfectly fine to be gay in country–The Duhks have been nominated for Grammies–but Chely’s album was not that impressive.

  68. Steve Harvey
    December 5, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    For the lord’s sake, can we please shut up about Lee Ann Rimes love life? If you disapprove of her decision ‘publicize her own dirty laundry’, then how about you don’t give it even more air time here.

    More on the topic, does anyone know what the eligibility period is for Grammy nominations? There are some tracks on the list that feel like part of the previous awards cycle. Nice to see a very strong Album category. I was hoping Revolution might cut through to the non-country categories the way Lady Antebellum has or do a bit of a Raising Sand. I guess my thinking was a little too wishful.

  69. Jordan Stacey
    December 5, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Just for the record “Crazy Women” is only going for adds tomorrow so commenting on it’s chart run is kinda stupid really. Almost like saying Martina’s first single from her new label is a flop even though it hasn’t been announced yet…also I believe Eddie also cheated so it wasn’t just her decision but so what how many times has cheating happened in country music history, this really shouldn’t be a big deal at all.

  70. Leeann Ward
    December 5, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Chely Wright’s album was actually quite good.

  71. Vicki
    December 5, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    The reason Adam Lambert was nominated was because that man can flat out sing any current rock/pop singers. He has very good use of control of his voice and breathing. I only wrote this since his name was brought up.

  72. Jon
    December 5, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Dishing up the fact that the Duhks were once nominated for a Grammy as evidence that “it’s perfectly fine to be gay in country” is liking dishing up Charley Pride’s name as proof that it’s perfectly fine to be Black in country – only, of course, not only was Charley Pride far more popular than the Duhks ever were, but it’s far more likely that country fans – including awards voters – knew Pride’s race than that country fans – including awards voters – knew the sexual orientation of one of the Duhks’ members.

    PS Nice gay-baiting, Fizz. Exactly what does Jann Wenner’s purported sexual orientation have to do with any of this?

  73. K
    December 5, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    “Its perfectly fine to be gay in country–The Duhks have been nominated for Grammies–but Chely’s album was not that impressive.”

    If an established artist decided to come out, the reaction would be much different, and I have no doubt such confession may very well ruin a superstar career.

    Chely was never a superstar, and hardly made a blip on the radar this past decade. Her career survived because her (small) core fanbase didn’t care about her sexuality, and huge success couldn’t be threatned by public reaction.

    Adam Lambert has been extremely flamboyant and confident throughout his entire career. Many people already suspected he was gay, and he came out right after Idol ended. He never denied it, and didn’t attempt to hide anything about who he really was. His career survived because of his confident additude and ability to be who he wanted; it had nothing to do with his orientation, but how well he handeled it.

  74. Leeann Ward
    December 5, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Stormy,
    I agree with Jon regarding your comment. And, frankly, I’m surprised that you, as a progressive, would cite a group who is only marginally associated with country music and has limited exposure/popularity as an example of it being okay to be gay in country music. Just because you like to act as though your preferred artists are what is all that is actually country music, it seems dismissive of what is a real problem–that it’s actually not okay to be gay in country music yet.

  75. Jon
    December 5, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    And yes, Fizz, I have a problem with the notion that railing against a bunch of people you don’t know about a subject of which you have little or no knowledge constitutes sticking it to The Man.

  76. Stormy
    December 5, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Jon: Tania Elizabeth is a out and open lesbian and has been interviewed about that and her raw food diet in many trade magizines. Its unlikely that most Grammy voters don’t know that.

    Leeann: There may be some reluctance to play gay artists on mainstream country radio, but country music over all is not particularly homophobic.

  77. Jon
    December 5, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Tania Elizabeth has been interviewed by some publications, and done a fine job, but they’re mostly not country music or country music industry publications, and it’s extremely unlikely that most Grammy voters, or even most Grammy voters who vote in the country field would have any idea of who she is, what her orientation is or what she eats. It always blows me away when you try to tell me things about the industry Iin which I work and the people I know.

    It is not “perfectly fine” to be gay or lesbian in the country music field; on the other hand, I wouldn’t call homophobia in it especially virulent, either. I think the situation is dynamic, and more than anything else a function of the field’s generally older composition, both on the industry and fan sides. If you look at studies of attitudes about gay and lesbian rights, there are clear generation gaps in virtually every group, whether religious, political, geographical, racial and so on.

  78. J.R. Journey
    December 5, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    This Music Row homophobia pissing contest aside, I thought Chely Wright’s album was excellent myself. I also expected her to get more than one nod at the Grammy’s this year, in and outside the country fields. That’s my biggest surprise in the country arena. Didn’t expect to see Wilson or Jewel in the Female lineup, and where is ‘Stuck Like Glue’, or whatever Sugarland was eligible for?

  79. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 12:10 am

    My biggest surprise is that no one’s commented on the fact that there are 6 nominees for Country Song. Wonder why the “powers that be” pulled that one, hmm?

  80. Kyle
    December 6, 2010 at 12:33 am

    “Macon” up for vocal performance and “Breath You Take” up for song?

    I’d be more likely to nominate both for “worst song of artist’s career”…

  81. Troy
    December 6, 2010 at 1:03 am

    @Jon I didn’t even realize that it was more than the normal about of songs up. Thats a good point I wonder why there are six. If its an exact tie for the 5th spot do they allow 6 maybe?

  82. Leeann Ward
    December 6, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Stormy,
    I can give you that you’re right that it’s perfectly okay to be gay in country music as far as Grammy voters are concerned. To that end, like J.R., I’m surprised that Chely Wright didn’t get any nominations, since her album was very solid.

  83. Lori
    December 6, 2010 at 7:43 am

    I was hoping Elizabeth Cook’s “Welder” would have been nominated.

  84. stormy
    December 6, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Jon: If Grammy Voters work to keep gay people from being nominated, why are so many nominated?

  85. Barry Mazor
    December 6, 2010 at 7:57 am

    The Grammy nominations in any category, it should be understood, reflect what those who can vote for them know about the categories–and what they understand themselves that Grammy voters as a whole would get and go for. (They’re like the Oscars in this respect.)

    They know acts with sales so huge they can’t be missed, and will go there if the act’s not totally embarrassing. (Like movies that sell a lot of tickets.) They know some prestige acts with coverage and reviews in mainstream big city (read: NYC, L.A.) papers so positive they can’t miss it (Say, Jamey Johnson).

    And they know acts that have been around forever, are good, and played those big cities often (Ricky Skaggs, Vince Gill, Marty Stuart) , because they skew older, are not necessarily right on top of what’s new and interesting a lot of things (certainly not country music or rock, let alone traditional polka or synthesizer cajun). This is often even more obvious in rock than country, where you can expect some 60-70 year olds nominated these days!

    So look, a Chely Wright, good as that record is, is not necessarily going to be above the radar to those voters, let alone an Elizabeth Cook ( as good as that one is–though not, by design, very country).

    Grammy focus–and winners-atend towards the predictable. And that means: not many surprises.

  86. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Jon: If Grammy Voters work to keep gay people from being nominated, why are so many nominated?

    I believe you would want to ask that question of people who said something even remotely like, “Grammy voters work to keep gay people from being nominated,” Stormy. In which category anyone with the ability to understand the English language can easily see I do not belong.

    @Troy. That incorrect. Wonder why the “powers that be” went to the trouble of arranging a tie in this category? I’m sure Fizz has an answer.

    For the great majority of awards, the same pool of members vote in both the nomination and final rounds. Sort of. It’s complicated by the fact that beyond a few all-genre awards, voters are limited in the number of categories in which they can vote. So while it’s likely that there is a large core of people who vote in the country field every year, there’s also some churn, and where contests are close (which the presence of ties indicates can sometimes be the case), that can have an impact on the outcomes.

  87. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 8:42 am

    @Troy. Sorry, meant to say that’s correct. A tie, at least at 5th place, will result in 6 nominees.

  88. Leeann Ward
    December 6, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Yes, Stormy, you twisted Jon’s words to something completely unrecognizeable. Where did he say any such thing?

  89. stormy
    December 6, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Leann: Jon is trying to prove a point which has already been disproven. So what exactly am I twisting?

  90. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 9:46 am

    And so we arrive at Stormy’s planet.

  91. Fizz
    December 6, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Agree with Barry Mazor. “Playing it safe” is the name of the game. Again, I give you the case of Jethro Tull. Even though it was twenty years ago, it still epitomizes the overall cluelessness of the Rolling Stone/Billboard elite that run these awards ceremonies.

  92. Paul W Dennis
    December 6, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Jon – I don’t know why you bother debating things with Stormy. It’s like trying to teach a pig to sing – it wastes your time and annoys the pig

  93. stormy
    December 6, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Jon: Tania Elizabeth’s The Duhks were nominated and she is openly lesibain. Mary Gauther’s Mercy Now album was nominated and she is an open lesbian. KD Lang has been nominated several times since coming out. Which country music singers have had a difficult time being nominated because they are gay? Please, just give me a couple of name here. Or, alternately, ANYTHING that shows a pattern of Grammy voters, country or otherwise, which would demonstrate an homophobic bias.

    Now, here’s the kicker, if they are discriminating against Chely Wright because she is out of the closet, why has she never recieved a single Grammy nomination?

    If you said being gay was the reason she isn’t play on Emmis or Clear Channel, I would be willing to say you might have a point. But you are making some pretty serious allegations against Grammy voters which simply are not reflected in the historical record.

  94. Leeann Ward
    December 6, 2010 at 11:44 am

    I’m not willing to read these these comments again, but did he say that the Grammy voters discriminated against gay artists? I don’t recall it. Also, Gauthier, the Dukhs and Lang do NOT represent country music. As much as even I like them, they are considered Americana at best.

  95. Leeann Ward
    December 6, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Who said that the voters were discriminating against Chely Wright, anyway?

    Also, Barry, wouldn’t Chely Wright’s press exposure be much higher than Gretchen Wilson’s this year?

  96. stormy
    December 6, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Leann: To be fair, that would negate Jon’s claims that the Grammy voters wouldn’t know Tania Elizabeth’s sexuality, since that has had higher press exposure than either Wright or Wilson has been able to generate in the past few years.

  97. Troy
    December 6, 2010 at 11:58 am

    @Fizz “Playing it safe” is the name of the game

    They are plenty of nominees that wern’t playing it safe. Chris Brown Graffti got nominated and that fits into none of the 3 cateogries Mazor said.

  98. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Jon: Tania Elizabeth’s The Duhks were nominated and she is openly lesibain.

    In the first place, calling The Duhks “Tania Elizabeth’s” is like referring to “Dana Williams’ Diamond Rio.” In the second, as I pointed out, the odds are overwhelming that most Grammy voters, including most of those who actually voted in the country field, not only didn’t know anything about Tania Elizabeth, but didn’t know anything about The Duhks, either; in other words, that nomination says virtually nothing about the voters’ attitudes toward gay or lesbian artists – and if it did, it would be of pretty limited utility, much as Charley Pride’s stature is of pretty limited utility in assessing the attitudes of country fans and the country music industry toward African-American artists. What it mostly says is that you’re grasping at a preposterous straw in order to make an argument that doesn’t need to be made in the first place.

    Since nothing I said could remotely be construed by any sane person as reflecting any sort of belief that Grammy voters were, are or will be homophobic – in other words, I made no “serious allegation against Grammy voters” at all – I see no reason to try to furnish proof thereof.

    BTW, I’m having a hard time finding the Grammy category in which Mary Gauthier’s Mercy Now was nominated. Are you sure you don’t have the “Grammy” confused with the “Glama?”

    @LeeAnn In the middle of his LeAnn Rimes ranting, Lewis took the time out to allege that Chely Wright’s having come out was a strike against her in this context.

  99. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Of course, Barry didn’t actually *say* “‘playing it safe’ is the name of the game.” That was Fizz. What Barry said was that Grammy voters tend toward the predictable, and not only are “predictable” and “safe” not quite the same, but “tend toward” and “invariably choose” aren’t either.

  100. Barry Mazor
    December 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    LeeAnn, I’m as surprised by the Gretchen nomination as much as you are. It just may be a case that she was so firmly emblazoned on the NARAS mind a few years ago at her publicity peak, that some involved aren’t aware that things have been a little more obscure there lately. But that’s not more than an educated guess.

  101. Fizz
    December 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Actually, Troy, it IS playing it safe in a way. People know who Chris Brown is. Easier to nominate somebody people already know (whether they love or hate him) than to put up a lesser-known artist who might have better material. Again, it’s a game of name-recognition.

  102. Fizz
    December 6, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    As for the whole “gay country singer” thing, I was thinking more of what Chesney said in Playboy a couple years ago. They brought up the rumors about his own orientation (which, as he pointed out, were pretty silly), and then went on to ask if he thought the country music establishment was ready to accept a gay male performer. He hemmed and hawed over it, but ended up admitting, probably not, rightly or wrongly, it is what it is. Paraphrasing, but that’s the upshot of it.

  103. Troy
    December 6, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    @Fizz then how to explain Robyn Dancing on My own getting nominated? Hardly anyone in America would recongize her name

  104. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Not to mention Ralph Stanley’s great Country Male Vocal Performance of the Year a few years ago. Guess the “powers that be” must have fallen asleep at the switch!

  105. Fizz
    December 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    “Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds …”

  106. Fizz
    December 6, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Seriously, though, it’s not like Robyn came out of nowhere to get a nomination. She got plenty of airplay and a fair amount of press.

    As for Ralph Stanley, was that for the O Brother soundtrack that became a surprise hit amongst the hipsters?

  107. Barry Mazor
    December 6, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    First, Ralph Stanley is not gay.

    Second, he was, of course, at the lifetime peak of general public recognition when they nodded in his direction.

    Third, I do think bluegrassers have a certain advantage when it comes to Grammy country nominations–as opposed to getting country nominations in country awards competitions. And that’s the old “well, really, it’d a sort of folk music’ line of thought/ bugaboo–probably an advantage, still, with certain Grammy voters disinclined towards country in general..

  108. Troy
    December 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I’m almost 100 percent sure that Robyn was never in the top 100 for songs played on radio with dancing on my own and her album charted 142, I don’t think she was getting that much press either while you can find her on the odd blog but never in mainstream.

  109. PaulaW
    December 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I’m as surprised by the Gretchen nomination as much as you are.

    I’m not much on awards, so correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I read it, this nomination is for the SONG, not for Gretchen. And it’s a damn fine song. Gretchen even does a pretty decent job on it. But you really need to hear Rivers Rutherford sing it if you want the full impact and emotion.

  110. Fizz
    December 6, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    No, it says right up there the award is for “Best Female Country Vocal PERFORMANCE,” so no, it’s not for the song.

  111. PaulaW
    December 6, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    @Fizz – sorry, I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. But is IS also in the SONG category. So I guess she got nominated twice. Wow! Now that IS interesting.

  112. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Look, the point is that, contrary to the “sticking it to The Man” school – ostensively uninterested in the awards but in actual practice still apparently obsessed by a purportedly controversial rock award of decades ago – the Grammys give considerable, but far from exclusive interest to sales and airplay. And the category and field assignments, and the way in which awards are actually decided – a process which I’m guessing no more than one other participant in this discussion actually has detailed knowledge of and first-hand experience with – allows plenty of room for peculiarities that are simply unexplainable by the “Rolling Stone/Billboard powers that be” theory, if I may apply a term that gives far more weight to the notion than is deserved.

  113. Fizz
    December 6, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Oh, I wouldn’t say I’m “obsessed” with the whole Jethro Tull/Metallica episode, but to my mind, it still serves as one of the best illustrations of why I put little or no stock in the Grammys. And yeah, it was a controversial award, no purportedly about it.

    If you’re not familiar with the story and are actually curious … The deal was, in ’89, the Grammys debuted their “best heavy metal performance” category, grudgingly, twenty years after the genre’s birth. (This was a time when most “serious” critics hated heavy metal, but was also the height of the genre’s commercial viability, hence the new category.) So one of the nominees was Metallica, who at the time had very little radio airplay and no videos, but had garnered a huge word-of-mouth fanbase, and were one of the most popular metal bands in the country. Yet the award went to … Jethro Tull. ’70’s has-beens whose fossilized flute-rock wasn’t even metal by anyone’s definition. The reaction at the ceremony and afterward was underwhelming to say the least. So the Grammys folks made sure to nominate (and award) Metallica every time they were eligible thereafter, even after the band had alienated much of its old fanbase with a string of generally poorly-received releases (by fans–critics suddenly loved them once they changed musical direction).

    Okay, story time’s over. I realize that has nothing to do with the country category specifically, but I think it exemplifies the Grammys, and most awards ceremonies, as a whole.

  114. stormy
    December 6, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    If none of the Grammy voters knew who the Duhks were, how did they get nominated?

  115. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    @Fizz You treat one decision by Grammy voters a couple of decades ago to give an award to someone you think didn’t deserve it as much as someone else as exemplifying literally thousands of awards; I think obsessed is a fair way to describe that level of intensity. But did you know that this – “the Grammys folks made sure to nominate (and award) Metallica every time they were eligible thereafter…” is pure gibberish, since all nominations and awards are voted on by Academy members, and not the Board of Governors or any other leadership body? And by the way, was that award really called “Best Heavy Metal Performance?”

    @Stormy Did I say none of the Grammy voters knew who the Duhks were? Why, no, I did not. So why would you ask me a question based on the notion that I did? They were nominated in a field that’s typically dominated by just one or two big groups, meaning that a relatively small number of votes can be enough to get you into one of the other slots – and the Duhks had the further advantage of being on a label owned by an LA-based company, so they likely had folks campaigning for them both in Nashville and LA.

    Similarly, though they’re friends of mine, I would be surprised if many folks who voted in that same category this year know who the SteelDrivers are, much less any details about the personal lives of any of the group’s members, and probably only a handful more know who Jamie and Darrin are. Their nominations are – as with the nominations for instrumental and vocal collaboration – more a function of the particulars of the categories than an indication that large numbers of Academy members are familiar with the artists.

    That’s not to disparage the honor of being nominated, and while I don’t know about everyone, I can tell you that the folks I know who are nominated this year are excited about it, and appropriately so. But – to reiterate my original point, which you apparently are still a little unclear about – to point to the Duhks’ nomination as evidence that “it’s perfectly fine to be gay in country” is just plain wrong.

  116. Jon
    December 6, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    And by the way, with respect to the Up On The Ridge nominations, there’s an excellent Dierks Bentley story by Larry Nager in this month’s Bluegrass Unlimited. Anyone with an interest in the album, in Bentley or in bluegrass really ought to read it, right here:

    http://bluegrassmusic.com/content/2010/feature/from-down-at-the-station-inn-to-up-on-the-ridge-dierks-bentleys-bluegrass-roots-run-deep/#more-1473

  117. Fizz
    December 7, 2010 at 9:53 am

    First of all, Jon, that wasn’t just “me” obsessing over an award going to an artist “I” didn’t feel deserved it. That whole jethro Tull debacle is a pretty well-known, well-documented event. It shows up in every history of the genre I’ve read. Let me put it to you another way: it would be like if this year’s Best Male Country Performance (Duo Or Group) went to Lynyrd Skynyrd.

    As for this whole “academy” of voters, that’s even worse than a “board,” in a way. Now instead of a dozen or so out-of-touch industry bigwigs, it’s a whole convention-hall full of them.

  118. Jon
    December 7, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    First of all, Jon, that wasn’t just “me” obsessing over an award going to an artist “I” didn’t feel deserved it. That whole jethro Tull debacle is a pretty well-known, well-documented event.

    So, um, if the notion’s a popular one, that makes it more valid, huh? Odd how that logic seems to be rejected one moment and embraced the next. And remind me: was that award really called “Best Heavy Metal Performance?”

    As for this whole “academy” of voters, that’s even worse than a “board,” in a way. Now instead of a dozen or so out-of-touch industry bigwigs, it’s a whole convention-hall full of them.

    “Industry bigwigs,” that’s funny. You mean people like me. Or Barry Mazor. Or (guessing here) Chris Neal. The fact is, there are like about 13,000 members of NARAS, most of them eligible to vote and, I’ll bet, mostly artists. “Bigwigs” indeed. Doesn’t the notion that you might not know what you’re talking about give you even a nanosecond’s pause? Can’t you consider the possibility that “disagrees with me” and “out of touch” aren’t really synonymous? What makes you think that you’re in touch, especially when it comes to a kind of music that you don’t even like – i.e., country music?

  119. Chickette
    December 7, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Jon: “Industry bigwigs,” that’s funny. You mean people like me.

    You wish.

  120. Ryan
    December 7, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    I first just wanted to point out that Tania Elizabeth wasn’t out publicly when they got the Grammy nomination.

    Stormy your logic is pretty confusing. I’m not sure why you’re so hesitant to recognize and accept that the country music industry as a whole is not gay-friendly. Apparently you’re determined to believe that it is, so whatever floats your boat. But don’t try and explain that to people who live and work in the country music world. Pray tell, how many gay country musicians are in the top 40 right now? How many last year? Or the year before that?

  121. Ryan
    December 7, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Chickette, I think you don’t understand how grammy voting works. Jon and I are both voting members. Or are you referring to the vast bigwig conspiracy that throws all our ballots into a bonfire and decides the winners in a smoky backroom?

  122. Jon
    December 7, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Sorry I forgot about you, Ryan – you need to come around here more often!

  123. Fizz
    December 7, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Well, that explains two things: 1) your disgust with “sticking it to the man”: you actually think that phrase refers to you personally. And 2) your interest in keeping the idea of teh Grammys’ legitimacy afloat.

  124. Jon
    December 7, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    @Fizz I have friends who have sacrificed a considerable amount, including lives in some cases, to stand up for unpopular causes; so yeah, it irritates me when I see, as I said before, someone railing against people he doesn’t know about something he doesn’t know anything about acting as though that’s being a courageous opponent of The Establishment.

    And frankly, I could care less about the Grammys’ “legitimacy,” which in any event certainly isn’t challenged by adolescent whining on a blog here or there. But I thought there was a possibility that you – or, more likely, others – might like to have some idea of how the awards actually work, given by someone who’s actually involved in them, so that you – or, more likely, they – could see how off-base this crap about “power brokers” and “bigwigs” actually is. Most Grammy voters are regular folks – musicians, first and foremost – just trying to make a living in a tough business that nevertheless manages to deliver a lot of music to people who enjoy it. Sorry if that somehow offends you.

  125. Fizz
    December 7, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    So calling B.S. on the Grammys is tantamount to insulting the memory of those who gave their lives in support of unpopular beliefs? Whoa, whoa! Back the stick out a couple notches there, Perfesser.

  126. Jon
    December 7, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    In general, no; in the particular way you’ve chosen to do it – through childish prattle about “bigwigs” and “power brokers” – yes.

  127. Ryan
    December 7, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Obviously lots of people here have some personal vendettas against Jon so they’re going to take anything he says and skew it in some irrelevant direction, as has been demonstrated in this thread.

    When people whine about how the Grammys are the corrupt, meaningless products of “bigwigs” and “power brokers”, it just points out that they don’t understand how the Grammy voting works. Simple as that.

    Fizz, you and all the others in this thread are entitled to your opinions about whether the Grammy system as a whole is good for the music community or not … but get your facts straight so that you can be taken seriously.

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  • luckyoldsun: MH-- "...divisive, dismissive and argumentative." There's a shock. Who'da thunk it.
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  • Tom: ...it is almost the year 2015 - ain't it about time we leave people (celebrities included) having the personal relations …
  • Paul W Dennis: I had assumed that Herndon was gay after the incident that Lucky Old Sun referenced, but bought the next Herndon …
  • Jonathan Pappalardo: For anyone who wants to buy it, the Rosanne Cash 45 is available again. With 1000 copies being created, I …

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