Your Take: Award Show Voters

Karlie Justus Marlowe | January 9th, 2010

In Monday’s News Roundup, Brody included a link to Cindy Watts’ profile on Rascal Flatts. The Tennessean article “Rascal Flatts reflects on a decade in country music” touched on everything from its start in Printer’s Alley to its recent CMA upset:

Losing the group of the year CMA trophy, DeMarcus admitted, was a shock — and a motivator.

“Lady Antebellum had a great year,” DeMarcus said. “But honestly, losing lit a fire under our (butts) to say, ‘You know what, this has been our award for the last six years and we need to go take it back, and we are going to work our tails off to try and do that very thing. We’re not that old yet.’”

“Walking out after the group thing, fans we’re yelling, ‘Hey they didn’t sell out Wrigley Field,’” added guitarist Joe Don Rooney, referring to the fact that in 2009 the trio, with 38,000 tickets sold, became the only country act ever to sell out the park. “People were screaming from the seats. But they don’t have a voice.”

“I think every awards show should be fan voted,” singer Gary LeVox said.

On a related note, Brody noted the People’s Choice Awards crowned country artists Carrie Underwood, Keith Urban and Taylor Swift with several awards this week.

People’s Choice is the only major award show where fans choose the winner, according to a press release, and this broadcast was the first to use Internet video viewing data in the nominee selection process:

“People’s Choice has served as a premier cultural barometer for decades, and we are thrilled that our unique Internet video metrics have been incorporated into the nominee selection process this year,” said Visible Measures Founder and CEO Brian Shin. “We always say that audiences vote with their mouse in the world of online video, and we are excited to be able to deploy this unique data set to help People’s Choice.”

Are you a fan of the People’s Choice Award selection and award process? Do you agree with Gary LeVox that award shows like it better reflect an entertainer’s value to his or her industry?

  1. Vicki
    January 9, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Yes and No. I think there should be one “People’s Choice awards” to give the fans a chance to be heard.

    But I said “one” fan based show. Here we have the ACM’s coming up and again “Entertainer of the year” and “Best new artist” are fan voted. It cheapens the award’s value. Artists want to be chosen by their peers, mentors and the people that know country music best. Although, they also get booed when their choice is not realistic for a given award
    (CMA’s Female VOCALIST =Taylor when she was up against great vocalists: Reba, Martina, Miranda and Carrie)

  2. Stephen H.
    January 9, 2010 at 8:58 am

    If every award show is fan-voted, then there might as well just be one award show. I highly doubt that, for example, the ACMs and CMAs would be pulling from different groups of people for their voting, so what we’d end up having is the people with the largest fan bases winning each award by the same margin (possibly more if they can get the computer programs to add in fradulent votes).

    Plus, in the case of Rascal Flatts, they were lucky Sugarland became a duo when they did, as they’d probably be winning the group awards now, whether fan- or industry-voted.

  3. Razor X
    January 9, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Making the awards fan-voted will only serve to prove which acts have the most rabid fan bases.

  4. Zayn Jones
    January 9, 2010 at 9:33 am

    No, I don’t. I don’t really care to leave it up to whoever can text the most.

    At the same time…

    Reba: Why in the hell would you vote for Taylor Swift to win Female Vocalist of the Year? Really?!?! Why would anybody vote for her over the other nominees? Who else was nominated? Miranda, Carrie, Martina? Just because somebody sells a lot of records or concert tickets doesn’t mean they can sing.

    Miranda: White Liar is number six.. It’s getting close :)

    @zaynjones

  5. Stephen H.
    January 9, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Thinking of one of Vicki’s and Zayn’s points, about Taylor Swift not deserving female “vocalist”, maybe it’s time for the award shows to eliminate having one “entertainer” award and have male/female “vocalist” AND “entertainer”. So that vocalist can reward those who are technically proficient, and entertainer for those who are popular but are not the best vocally. Similar to how single/song is supposed to reward two different things (even though song, in particular, many times seems to not go to what it should).

  6. Noeller
    January 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    There’s issues with both formats, obviously. The fan voted awards are flawed because 99% of fans have no clue as to what they’re actually voting on – they just vote for who they “like best”. On the other hand, the “peer” voted shows are notorious for having bloc voting decided by record labels and such, so it’s not really a true barometer either.

    It’s a tough spot to be in, but if I gotta choose between the two, I’ll take the peer-voted ones just because this vast majority of fans are SO completely clueless. We can’t allow the “OMG TAYLOR!! VAMPIRES!! TEAM EDWARD!!!!” people to take over.

  7. nm
    January 9, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    The thing about fan-voting awards shows is that there’s not much point to them. Just give the awards to the top sellers in each category and the results will be the same.

  8. Paul W Dennis
    January 9, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Very difficult to have much credibility when most fan-voted awards allow (in the words of many a big city Democratic Party politician over the years) “voting early and often”.

    I don’t mind the various awards being given, I just don’t take them too seriously . In terms of credibility I rate the CMAs , ACM, NARAS and People’s Choice Awards in descending order – but I really don’t get worked up over any of them.

    I do think Le Vox is speaking through Le Posterior with his comment, however

  9. Chris N.
    January 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    At the risk of being snooty, “industry-voted” means “people-who-know-what-they’re-talking-about-voted.” Also, fan-voted awards are really just a competition among fan clubs.

  10. stormy
    January 9, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    For me its not a matter of who votes for the awards so much as it is that the nomination pool seems really shallow.

  11. Drew
    January 9, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Definitely not, and everyone else already summed up why.

  12. Noeller
    January 9, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Chris N – not snooty at all. You’re dead on the money, sir.

  13. Nicolas
    January 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    I would hate for every awards show to be fan voted, because then the more deserving artists (like Miranda Lambert) would lose all hope of winning anything

  14. K
    January 9, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    I think both fan and industry-awards shows have several pros and cons. If I had to pick though, I’d chose industry-voted awards.

    As many others have stated, too often fan-voted shows turn into a popularity contest, and many artists often have young, crazed, internet-savvy fans who either always get around the system, or vote for hours upon hours each day because they have nothing better to do. I’m sure this happens more often than not, and it certaintly messes with the truth of who the fans really love.

    Do that many people really love Swift, or is that most of her fanbase is made up of fairly young kids who have nothing better to do than vote for hours on the internet, when they’ve beeen attached to at the hip since childhood anyway?

    Who says the fact that Carrie Underwood wins dozens of fan-voted awards is really a true representation of the country fan-base? Didn’t she come from the biggest talent show in America, where the bases and knowlege of technology was the very reason she was able to win so many votes?

    I like and respect Carrie and Taylor, as well as many other artists, but I just felt those above examples as some of the fault within fan-voted shows. I think these shows represent a very small precentage of people, many of whom swim in knowlege of voting, internet, and everything else in between.

    I would guess there is a larger amount of both money and politics involved in industry awards shows, but generally I respect that they don’t always go with the popular vote. Sometimes they make preplexing choices, but often times there is more merit behind it than sheer numbers.

  15. Steve Harvey
    January 10, 2010 at 6:54 am

    “People were screaming from the seats. But they don’t have a voice.”
    Anyone think he’d be giving out quotes like this if they’d won? Seems kind of classless.

  16. Vicki
    January 10, 2010 at 7:08 am

    Speaking of Award shows, I can’t wait for the discussion on the Grammy nominations/awards. They are pretty interesting this year: Female Vocalist -tight race; Male Vocalist-Brad isn’t nominated. And will Taylor dominate this like everything else? I can see her in the song/album categories but again..vocalist?

  17. Noeller
    January 10, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    The CMAs lost all credibility by naming Taylor as Vocalist winner. The Grammy’s have always been critically sound, but can they be corrupted by the hype?? I suppose we’ll find out soon!

  18. nm
    January 10, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    The Grammy’s have always been critically sound

    Ya think?

  19. highwayman3
    January 10, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    The Grammys have to walk the line between critical sound and popular sound, otherwise if they stayed with Critical and Yo-Yo Ma was the top nominee who would watch? So they play the popular card and give ‘My Humps’ a win in the pop vocal group category some years back.

    I feel there’s a line they dont cross to keep the awards critical sound for the most part, like the Spice Girls didnt get nominated when they were big.

    The thing I find most interesting about Taylor Swfits 8 nods, is last year she was completely shunned out of the nominations despite her popularity, which was a strong, risky message to send, but its an award that honours ‘vocals’ “best country vocal performance’ and not ‘best country artist’ and this year they are too afraid to shun her because of the backlash that would ensue so give her 8 and throw in song of the year as well cause anyone can see how well written that is compared to every song released from every genre this past year.

  20. Vicki
    January 10, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Taylor was nominated in the all-genre “Best New Artist” category last year. She didn’t win. Her hype was just starting last year. The Zak Brown Band is nominated for that award this year.
    Out of Taylor’s 8, she should win:
    Record of the year: Close one.
    Album of the year: Definitely
    Song of the year: Perhaps
    Best Pop Female Vocal Performance:Could Be
    Best Pop Collaboration: Who knows?
    Best Country Female Vocal Per.: PLEASE NO!
    Best Country Song: Perhaps
    Best Country Album: Definitely

  21. highwayman3
    January 10, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    ^ taylors new artist nod was 2 years ago, last year Lady Antebellum was up for it, time goes by fast

  22. Vicki
    January 10, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Oops sorry! You are correct.

  23. Sheep
    January 10, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Wow, that shows how selfish Rascal Flatts are. “We sold out Wrigley Field and Lady A didn’t, so we’re obviously better, right?” is basically what Rooney was saying.

    As for your question, the fan-voting is OK because it shows what the people think, however, it’s doesn’t cite real quality. Rascal Flatts would no doubt get more votes than Lady Antebellum, but I think most people on this site can say that Lady A is tremendously better than the Flatts.

  24. K
    January 10, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    “Wow, that shows how selfish Rascal Flatts are. “We sold out Wrigley Field and Lady A didn’t, so we’re obviously better, right?” is basically what Rooney was saying.”

    It’s hard to believe that so many people can twist one simple quote so far out of context. All the guys gave their respects to Lady A, and they have never once looked down on anyone in this industry. If this quote accomplished anything, it shows that this band is very motivated by loss and criticism. They are not going to stop touring or making music, and they refuse to be complacent; doing so will hopefully win them the award back.

    What’s so wrong about being motivated, or better yet, dissapointed, by loss? It shows they are willing to work even harder for what they want, and they are not going to use it as an excuse to let people feel sorry for them and think they have burned out.

    Joe Don’s comments were nowhere near arrogant or one-sided. He said that people were yelling because they were upset? More than likely that those were RF fans who felt that they were robbed of the award because of everything they accomplished in 2009.

    It is true that their fans have made them the top country band of the decade, helped them sell six million concert tickets, 20 million albums, 25 million downloads, and so on. Wouldn’t it make sense that these same fans who clearly passionate about what they are hearing would be more than a little ticked off? They didn’t have a voice at that show, but it’s clear what would’ve happened if the opposite was true.

    JD is free to speak his mind, and I respect that he didn’t say what was politically correct. Everyone knows that they beat every group out there is in the bussiness when it comes to fan-voted awards. That’s not arrogant when it’s the truth; look no furthur than their track record at the PCA’s, CMT Awards, record and concert ticket sales, and the chunk of their overall success that has been contributed to the fans. They haven’t been so successful this decade for nothing,folks. JD is right that the fans didn’t have a voice, and it obviously hurt their chances of winning tremendously.

    Look at their record with industry awards; they’ve won nothing but Vocal Group for seven years, even though they have obviously had enough success to warrant at least a few dozen nominations. There’s obviously a huge disconnect in the minds of fans and industry folks, and there is nothing wrong with stating that.

    These guys are some of the most humble, giving people in any genre of music. They have given three million to Vanderbilt, and they perform and personally visit the hospital, while also donating proceeds from their Nashvile show every year.

    They’ve been heavily involved with Make-A-Wish, and grant wishes for as many children as they can. Last year they were even given an award for being the most active “wish granters” among all other celeberities involved with the cause.

    They have been chairmen for the Red Cross since 2003, and they are very active in disaster relief efforts. In 2008, they donated several thousand dollars to help JD’s hometown, which was raveged by a deadly torndo. All three guys also personally went to the town to try and help.

    You need to look no furthur than this band’s music to realize what kind of people they are, and aspire to be.

    It’s sad that some people who don’t even know them will try to twist a situation into something it was never intended to be.

  25. Noeller
    January 10, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    I wondered how long it would take for the fan club to roll in with tears flowing.

  26. stormy
    January 10, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Wouldn’t selling out Wrigley Field make the Cubs the best baseball team every?

  27. Steve M.
    January 10, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    As a Cubs fan Stormy, I wish it was so. And before crowing that it was the only country act to ever sell out Wrigley, it should be noted that its the only country act to play there. Concerts are a relatively new thing, a way to bring more revenue in to pay for the Soriano contract. Jimmy Buffet was the first, and of course sold out.

  28. stormy
    January 10, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Have you tried the “they sell out Wrigley Field” arguement with the World Series people?

  29. Steve M.
    January 10, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Sadly it has yet to work. Of course the Cubs don’t walk on water as apparently Rascal Flatts do. I am nominating them for the next Nobel Peace Prize.

  30. K
    January 10, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    “Wouldn’t selling out Wrigley Field make the Cubs the best baseball team every?”

    No, considering Wrigely is a baseball field, and sell-out games are a regular, probably expected, event.

    Rascal Flatts are musicians who accomplished something that had yet to happen at that particular venue. This was not something that was expected, and being asked to perform there is not common.

    Also, humourous comment, Steve M! Funny thing is, i despise baseball, so I wouldn’t say anything that the Cubs (or any other sports team does) is particularly unique.

  31. stormy
    January 10, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    OMG you guys. I think RF cursed The Cubs.

  32. Steve M.
    January 10, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Sadly Stormy, it was cursed before that. The concert fit into the Cubs overall plan to become the poster of mediocrity.

  33. Steve M.
    January 10, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    As a lifelong Cubs fan, I have found myself using the word “sadly” way too much. Thank God I went to the University of Alabama so I know what real winning is.

  34. stormy
    January 10, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Well there goes my perfect excuse to sacrifice RF in Wrigley Field under the next full moon.

  35. Chris N.
    January 10, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    “The Grammys have always been critically sound…”

    *cough*MilliVanilliwonBestNewArtist*cough*

  36. Steve M.
    January 10, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Stormy, don’t let that stop you. I know where we could get some torches, cheap.

  37. Dan Milliken
    January 11, 2010 at 8:13 am

    I don’t fault the Flatts for noting their disappointment at the loss or the fact that it’s motivating them. I think that’s just honest.

    What I do find classless is that they’re projecting their disappointment onto their fans, making it sound as though the industry somehow screwed the fans over by picking a different group. I’m sure there were many Flatts fans who were disappointed, but after six consecutive wins, I can’t imagine any but an extreme few were “yelling” about it being a profound injustice, especially when Lady A (and Zac Brown Band, for that matter) had comparably strong sales and a higher public profile throughout the year. Bringing up the reactions of those extreme few in a press interview just sounds kind of desperate to me, however nice the guys might be.

  38. Jon
    January 11, 2010 at 9:26 am

    In general, folks tend to think that awards are “critically sound” when they produce agreeable results. Otherwise, not so much.

  39. Steve M.
    January 11, 2010 at 10:53 am

    That is pretty good definition Jon and probably can be applied to all awards. Texas fans feel like Colt McCoy was robbed while Alabama fans feel rightly Mark Ingram deserved the Heisman.

  40. K
    January 11, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    @ Dan: I definatly respect your ponts, but I think it’s unfair to say the reaction was “classless.” Could it have been worded differently? Absolutley. But did they say anything disrespectful towards anyone? I don’t think so. It seems that JD was trying to explain that some of their fans were upset- but he exagerated a bit doing so. These guys are still the biggest group in country music- it doesn’t surprise me that their fans would be upset that they got shafted. As I said before, they are the biggest country band of the decade- don’t people have a right to be surprised if they aren”t reconized for that?

    I do find it a tad ridculous that you think RF would blame their fans for anything. Every other sentence has something about thanking their fans for giving them jobs. They are always interacting with fans, whether it be by giving away free downloads, releasing “unreleased” tracks, giving away fan club memberships, or personally talking (and replying) to their fans on Twitter.

  41. prior
    January 11, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    rascall flatts should be quiet and be very lucky that they won all those awards because they are a travesty of a band. and anybody who is a fan of them is either deaf or…. well deaf.

  42. MaeB
    January 11, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    I was crying and yelling from my seat every year RF won and I think a lot of people were. They should change their names from RF to the Whiners. They act like big babies. I lost all respect for them the year they tried to buy votes to win EOTY! I agree with Prior!

  43. Noeller
    January 11, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    In all honesty, RF benefited from a shockingly poor “Group Of The Year” category for a number of years, where RF was the only group even remotely worthy. The second we got some proper groups back, with Lady A and ZBB leading the charge, then immediately RF was cast aside, as they should be.

  44. prior
    January 11, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    excuse me, in 2003 the dixie chicks where nominated,same thing in 2007.

  45. Sheep
    January 11, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    When Carrie Underwood lost Female Vocalist at the CMA’s this year, did she cry? No. The Flatts just can’t accept the fact that Lady A is better than them.

  46. K
    January 11, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    @Prior: Well, aren’t we opinionated. It must feel so good to tear down a band that you know nothing about. So, let me see if I understand…RF should be quiet for speaking their minds about their FANS reactions to the loss, but yet it’s perfectly acceptable and appropriate for you to speak your mind?

    @MAEB: Making snarky comments about how they “whine instead of sing” and “act like big babies” is hardly the defintion respect; your comments make it doubtful that you have ever enjoyed them or their music. They didn’t have your respect to begin with, obviously. Even if what you said is true, why should they need you? They are multi-millionares who continue to dominate the CD and touring curcit. The loss of one sour fan won’t hurt them.

    @Noller: How can that be true when several respectable groups were nominated alongside RF over the years, and they still mananged to win? Lady A, The Dixie Chicks, Alabama, Lonestar and others were the competetion several times when their careers were still noteworthy (with the exception of Lady A).

    Lady A was nominated with RF for several years before they won the award; therefore your assumption that RF was just “cast aside” when Lady A jumped in is incorrect.

    Also, the rumor that they tried to “buy votes” isn’t true. The people who would’ve voted for them would’ve been fans, correct? Obviously people who don’t like them won’t give them votes if they don’t like their music in the firsr place. So this download was not a bribe; it was an incentitve for the fans who were going to vote for them anyway.

    I know I’ll get blasted for this, but even if what they did was against the rules, I wouldn’t see that as any worse of a “crime” than the shady music row money-talks politics that go on with these awards show voters every single darn year.

  47. K
    January 11, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    “When Carrie Underwood lost Female Vocalist at the CMA’s this year, did she cry? No. The Flatts just can’t accept the fact that Lady A is better than them.”

    Grow up. RF said openly that they were very happy for Lady A, and they respect them and their music. All they said was that they were motivated to work harder to win the award back, and that their fans made it known they felt the wrong people won.

    There’s nothing wrong with that, and there is nothing wrong with what they said. It’s pretty said that you’re trying to get people like me to back down so that you can think you’re right, and that I’ll just say “OK, they were being immature, and Lady A really won.” No, they were being respectful and honest; two things that many posters here could learn from.

    When you chose to make a huge spectacle out of the “Lady A is better than them” and “their just whiney babies” junk, do you REALLY think you’re being more mature than they supposdly are? Think about it.

  48. Sheep
    January 11, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    @K

    When I look at their comments, I’m looking at what Joe Don said, not DeMarcus. I agree that it was very respectful of DeMarcus to say what he did. However, the quote I raised my eyebrows at was, “Walking out after the group thing, fans were yelling, ‘Hey they didn’t sell out Wrigley Field.'” To me, he’s trying to force it upon everyone that since they selled out Wrigley Field (and their fans said it as well), they’re automatically the best.

    I also agree completely with Dan.

  49. K
    January 11, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Thanks for clarifying your point respectfully, Sheep. I suppose I can how some may take Joe Don’s comments as arrogant, I will admit it’s probably harder for me to see that because i’m a bit biased.

    However, I still don’t agree with your comments. I simply think JD was trying to say that their fans felt they deserved to win; weren’t they the ones “yelling” about not selling out Wrigley?

    He didn’t seem to be putting any blame on the voters themselves. The industry has given them very little respect over the years, and I admire that they don’t seem to lose their humble and respectful additudes when it’s probably a relatively easy thing to do.

    Even if they really did feel they deserved to win, who cares? Everyone has jealous moments; they are only human, after all. I chose to look at all the charity work they do, and the fact that they are quick to praise fellow artists. I’ve seen and heard enough of this band to make up my own opinion.

    Dan, I’d be curious to know what you thought about Urban’s recent comment at the PCA’s? I think this is a great example of an artist saying something that can be miscontrued very quickly. I personally think JD’s comments can fall into the category.

  50. MrCountry79
    January 11, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Ok, I am new to the blogs but I’m tired of talking to myself about country music, so here’s the deal. I could care less about what JD said. I’m not saying that Lady A deserved to win with really only 2 hit songs last year but, as far as live singers go, I would have to rank Rascal Flatts down there with Taylor Swift…and this is coming from someone who loves their earlier music. If losing will help them get back to making good music then by all means, keep telling yourselves whatever you need to RF. As far as the fans go, shut up. You are the same people you think that Taylor Swift is good as well as Kenny “I wanna be Jimmy Buffett” Chesney. I don’t say that to be rude or mean but its the fans who don’t really appreciate country music that have ruined country music. The fact of the matter is this, RF cannot hold a candle to bands like Alabama, Diamond Rio, Shenendoah, and even Blackhawk. The sad reality is that RF came along when all the good bands were fading out.

  51. K
    January 12, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Wow, that’s mature. No here needs to “shut up;” this is a blog where all opinions should be welcomed. It amazes me how many people come out of the woodwork when negativity is around.

    I think they are talented; if you don’t that’s fine. Opinions are what make the world go around. I personally think it’s pretty unnecessary to bring Taylor into this. I’m not a fan of her music, but I can admit she seeems like a very sweet young girl who works her butt off and thinks the world of her fans. She is an extremely talented writer, and she has an ear for melodies and constructing music. She seems to be in control of both herself and her music. I respect her for that, and I don’t think any artist deserves to be looked down upon no matter how much you dislike them.
    For the record, I find it humourous that you think you can guess the other country artists I like just because I like Rascal Flatts. You can never guess ones musical tastes based on one bamd in one genere of music. I do not enjoy Chesney’s music, and I find him to be boring, bland a quite arrogant. Matter of fact, he is my least favorite country artist.

    I enjoy many artists including: Rascal Flatts, Carrie Underwood, George Strait, Shenendoah, Miranda Lambert, Josh Groban, John Mayer, Christina Agueleria, Beyonce, Frank Sinatra, Celime Dion, Micheal Jackson, Elvis, and many others.

    Although this is just my opinion, I don’t believe someone who would say they “came along when the good bands were fading out” was ever really even a casual fan.

    The real bone I have to pick here doesn’t have anything to do with RF, but rather how older country listeners such as yourself are so quick to judge them because “they ain’t your grandpa’s country music.” Sure, you may not think they “dress country enough” or “sing country enough,” but obviously they are talented enough to be in the genre. Country’s sound has changed, and you shouldn’t pick artists you don’t like as your scapegoat to prove a point.

    Not only are you stereotyping country artists when you make such an argunent, but you are degrading the millons of intelligent, loyal, and passionate fans who buy the music. You seem to be suggesting that younger fans that newer artists bring to the genre don’t know what “real” country music is, therefore they don’t know good music.

    I don’t care for the majority of older coutry, but that certaintly doesn’t make me a robotic and mindless person who doesn’t know and respect good music and artists when she hears them.

  52. MrCountry79
    January 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    First off K, I wasn’t singling you out…when I said “shut up” I am talking about these wanna be country music fans who go to these concerts and by the music but don’t appreciate the heart of it. Most of these fans are fans because of the crossover effect but they don’t appreciate real country music singers. There is no heart in country music anymore. It’s all about, “look how countryfied I am” or some kind of save the world epic…or trying to sell me on a teenager in love, and lately about death. I don’t care how they look or sound…they are just making crappy music period. Where are the Travis Tritts, the Joe Diffies, Tracy Lawrences, Mark Chestnutts, and even early Kenny Chesney. What the heck happened. As far as RF goes, the first few albums were great but something happened. Can you honestly tell me that there are any legends in this era of country music. Anybody whose music will stand the test of time? No way. The ones that could be will never get their just dues from Nashville.

  53. K
    January 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Thanks for clarifying Mr. Country. I do see what you’re saying, and I agree in a sense. In my opinion, music isn’t as memorable as it used to be, and it probably will be difficult to say who the legends will be.

    But at the same time, I don’t think it’s fair to overlook every artist in contemporary country just because you don’t agree with the direction the genere is taking. There are some excellent talents in country music right now, and I truly believe some of them will live up their potential one day. No one knows what will happen in the next few decades; I think it’s a bit premature to write off every artist in the genre quite yet.

    I agree that Rascal Flatts has recorded some pretty sub-par music, but I can honestly say I think some of their songs will stand the test of time. Can you honestly say “I’m Movin On,” “Bless The Broken Road,” “Skin,” “I Melt,” “My Worst Fear, “Why,” “She Goes All The Way, “What Hurts The Most,” and “These Days” aren’t great songs? In my opinion, these are all songs that DO have a case to stand the test of time; they all tell a true, genuine, story that legendary songs that are made of. They aren’t fluffy, filler songs, but well-written, narrative songs that the last few years have seemed to lack.

    As far as Chesney goes? I think all his songs sound the same, and the only true-quality song he has ever had was “There Goes My Life.” His concert tickets and records may get him in the record books, but his MUSIC won’t. M

  54. MrCountry79
    January 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    You just named almost all the Rascal Flatts songs that I like and there are even more that you left off. And yes, there are some newer artist that I love, Jason Aldean, Jason Michael Carroll, Chris Young, Jamey Johnson…etc. It’s just that the “superstars” that Nashville tries to shove down our throats are mediocre at best as far as their music goes.

  55. Dan E.
    January 12, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    MrCountry79: There are plenty of contemporary artists whose music will stand the test of time and who will become legends in this genre. Carrie Underwood is the obvious answer, but there are plenty of others who have no doubt cemented their careers with that legendary stamp.

  56. K
    January 12, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Yeah, they have a ton of great songs, even though most of them were earlier in their career. “Prayin For Daylight,” “Mayberry,” “Like I Am,” “Everyday,” “Winner At A Losing Game,” “He Ain’t The Leavin Kind,” “When The Sand Runs Out,” “Peices,” “See Me Through”, “My Wish,” “Help Me Remember, “Fast Cars & Freedom “The Day Before You,” “Cool Thing” and “Ellsworth” are also some of their other truly great songs that may stand a chance of being remembered. But that’s just my opinion, of course.

    Music is subjective, and I think that’s the beauty of having so many diverse and talented artists out right now. People who don’t particuarly enjoy today’s music can still go back and listen to the artists that they deem woth their time, energy and praise. Although timeless music may seem to be shrinking, it’s too early to tell. True quality music and artists never fade, and they will always be there to enjoy. It may be a bit difficult to see that in today’s crop of artists, but I think it’s nearly impossible to make a judgement one way or another. Who knows what artists will still be popular years from now? Most of these newer artists that you mention still have years of making music ahead and are nowhere near finished. I would guess that more than a few of them will end up making timeless music that we cannot foresee yet.

    I can see your arguments, but I think there are more considerations to take into account here. The entire music industry has been on the “one size fits all” model of making the next big star, and that’s the fault of the artists. Most artists continue to make music that all sounds the same, and although they should be held accountable, that is also product of the industry demanding it to be that way. If you don’t give into at least some of the industry’s pressures, there is no way you will be allowed to be successful.

    This trend has been going on for years, and it can probably be traced to several decades ago. It’s too late to be blaming anyone for demanding mediocrity.

  57. Razor X
    January 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    There are some excellent talents in country music right now, and I truly believe some of them will live up their potential one day.

    This “someday such-and-such an artist will live up to his/her potential” argument seems to be a recent phenomenon, and one I really don’t understand. Is expecting artists to produce great music now, as opposed to some undetermined time in the future, really asking too much??

    I agree that there are some very talented artists in country music today, most of whom are struggling to get radio airplay or to even get their labels to release their albums. And there are plenty of talented people putting out substandard music because that’s what radio seems to want these days.

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