Two Dixie Chicks Returning With New Music; Reba To Host April 18 ACM Awards

Brody Vercher | January 12th, 2010

  • Dixie ChicksMartie Maguire and Emily Robison will be releasing a new album without Natalie Maines, however a title, release date, and musical direction are all still unknown.
  • Reba McEntire is returning as the host of this year’s ACM Awards, which are scheduled for April 18. On the following night, the Academy plans to tape an all-star concert special titled ACM Presents: Brooks & Dunn – The Last Rodeo.
  • Jake Owen‘s brother inspired song character’s dipping habit:

    “My brother — back in the day and still does — has always spit tobacco,” Jake notes. “Every time I’d get in his truck, he’d always have a spit cup sittin’ there on his little console. And he’d always say, ‘Hey, man, watch out, man. I been spittin’ in that cup,’ and I’d always have to look out for it. So I put that line in the song about ‘climb on up, but honey, watch the cup where I’m spittin’ my dip inside.’”

  • Austin Music Source’s Patrick Caldwell talked to Ray Wylie Hubbard about the movie he wrote, The Last Rites of Ransom Pride, and his new album A. Enlightenment B. Endarkenment (Hint: There is no C).
  • New releases for the week of January 12, 2010 include:

    Reissues:

    • B.J. Thomas – Raindrops Keep Fallin on My Head/Everybody’s out of Town
      Amazon

    • B.J. Thomas – Most of All/Billy Joe Thomas
      Amazon

    • B.J. Thomas – On My Way/Young and in Love
      Amazon

    • B.J. Thomas – I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry/Tomorrow Never Comes
      Amazon

    • Waylon Jennings – Waylon/Singer of Sad Songs
      Amazon

    • Waylon Jennings – Love of the Common People/Hangin’ On
      Amazon

    • Waylon Jennings – Folk Country/Waylon Sings Ol’ Harlan
      Amazon

  • If you haven’t checked out The Texas Sapphires yet, maybe The Gobblers Knob can sway your mind: “[...] two of the players here also play with Dale Watson, so that’s awesome and needs no further explanation.” (It’s been too long since we’ve had a Dale Watson mention here, so thanks Kelly.)
  • Listen to Mike & The Moonpies perform “Betty Ford” from their New Year’s Day gig.
  • CMT has new videos from Keith Urban, Ryan Bingham, Rascal Flatts, Bomshel, Connor Christian, and Jaron and the Long Road to Love.
  • In the latest edition of Nashville or Bust, Nathan Rabin covers Roger Miller:

    Just about everyone interviewed in Ain’t Got No Cigarettes, Lyle E. Style’s worshipful, aggressively half-assed oral history of Miller’s turbulent life and times, calls Miller the fastest, funniest mind they’d ever encountered and gleefully repeat favorite one-liners and quips. Style’s book consequently feels less like a proper oral history than a marathon account of funny things Miller did and clever things he said.

    My favorite anecdote in the book comes from a Miller friend who recalls watching a particularly beautiful sunset with the singer-songwriter and having him reflect, “Wow. Imagine what God could have done if he’d had money.”

  • Country California: Quotable Country – 01/10/10 Edition
  • Cash Rich, the son of Joan and John Rich, was born on Sunday.
  • Songwriter Richard Fagan is scheduled to perform at the Bluebird Café on Wednesday night. It’ll be his first time back since completing rehab and is dedicated to his former friend and business partner of 32 years Tom Oteri, whose death, at one time, was thought to have been caused by Fagan.
  • My Kind of Country’s Occasional Hope listed 40 hidden gems — album tracks that you probably only heard if you purchased the album — from the past decade.

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  1. Rick
    January 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    General Comment: I think the future of “Comtemporary Country Music” is best illustrated by the MediaBase Most Added Country Singles listing for the week: (From AllAboutCountry.com)

    This Week’s Mediabase Most-Added Singles:
    # 1 – Taylor Swift/Fearless (42 Adds)
    # 2 – Rascal Flatts/Unstoppable (39)
    # 3 – Lady Antebellum/American Honey (36)
    # 4 – Alan Jackson/It’s Just That Way (16)
    # 5 – Zac Brown Band/Highway 20 Ride (16)
    # 6 – Carrie Underwood/Temporary Home (6)

    Looks like I won’t be tuning back into Top 40 AirHead Country radio…EVER! (lol)

    Occasional Hope has an interesting list of favorite hidden gems from the last decade. Seeing a Rebecca Lynn Howard traditional country weeper from her self titled debut album in the # 2 slot is a very pleasant surprise and its nice to see Jill King and Irene Kelley included. If you want a great 2000’s song that’s even more obscure try the title track from The Woody’s “Teardrops and Diamonds” CD! I’m beginning to think Jack Ingram, Chris Hillman, and myself sre the only people who truly appreciate this husband /wife team. I’d also recommend “I Want A Love Like That” from the Wright’s self-titled second album.

    I think Martie and Emily should recruit Sunny Sweeney to sing the lead vocals on their new project! You can’t get much more Texan than that…

  2. 1953
    January 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    dixie chicks, wherever you have been, stay there.

  3. Shannon
    January 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    I’m way excited for new Dixie Chicks music. Wish Natalie Maines wasn’t taking an album off though. Shes got a pure country power voice that cannot be matched by anyone.

    Can you imagine someone else belting out “Long Time Gone” and having it sound anywhere near how AMAZING she does?

  4. Paul W Dennis
    January 12, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I can imagine any number of current female vocalists replacing Natalie Maines and sounding at least as good or even far better than Maines. Heck, their original lead vocalist, Robin Macy, was better

  5. Matt B.
    January 12, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    “Can you imagine someone else belting out “Long Time Gone” and having it sound anywhere near how AMAZING she does?”

    Yeah, his name is Darrell Scott, the songwriter of the song.

  6. Noeller
    January 12, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Apparently there’s still some bitterness down south!! Hoooooo boy golly. Love the Chicks, always have and always will. Little disappointed that Nat won’t be back on this album, but I think this is a way for them to test the water, since Nat is the one most under fire for the comments. Loved every one of the girls albums and looking forward to some new material!

  7. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    you can bet everytime there is dixie chicks news paul w dennis, matt b (still angry about those grammys?) and razor x start wining.
    oh and about long time gone? nobody sings it better than natalie.
    its been seven years, get over it!!!

  8. Razor X
    January 12, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Prior, I never start wining this early in the day.

  9. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    its whining of course.

  10. Razor X
    January 12, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Well, that is something entirely different.

  11. Steve M.
    January 12, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    It would be nice to see a new Dixie Chick. Charlie Robison’s divorce led him to write and make the best album of his career. I would be interested in seeing his ex-wife’s view, musically of course.

  12. Leeann Ward
    January 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    I love Darrell Scott and I like his version of “Long Time Gone”, but I still think The Chicks have the superior version. Robin was a good singer, but The Chicks were pretty Hokey before Natalie came on. Heck, there first album with Natalie was pretty hokey too. Robin’s voice was definitely underwhelming compared toNatalie’s voice either way.

    I didn’t know Matt B. had a problem with the Chicks though.

  13. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    the whole south (stil) has a problem with the dixie chicks

  14. Leeann Ward
    January 12, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    It doesn’t seem very long ago that we found out that John Rich’s wife was even pregnant.

    Wow! So, we have Jake’s brother to thank for that disgusting line, huh? What a legacy.

  15. Kelly
    January 12, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    “the whole south (stil) has a problem with the dixie chicks”

    Wow, Prior, what an enlightened opinion. Thanks for sharing. For the record, you’re wrong.

  16. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    dont mock me kelly , you know i’m right.
    radio still wont’ play them.
    for the record, i’m right.

  17. Kelly
    January 12, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Prior, “radio” and “the south” are two different things entirely. I understand that you werent implying that every single southerner hates the chicks, but it was still way too broad of a stroke to brush, especially since the chicks arent getting airplay in many parts of the country.

  18. Paul W Dennis
    January 12, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    I was not denigrating Natalie Maines – she is a good singer but there are better ones around (Rhonda Vincent, Cia Cherryholme, Amber Digby, Mona McCall and others).

    Actually , I am looking forward to the sisters’ project – Martie & Emily have been the core of the group throughout all the craziness (they are excellent musicians) and I expect the album to be very good indeed

  19. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    i am implying that every southerner (still) hates the dixie chicks for what they said.
    its impossible for them to forgive, and that is in direct connection with radio airplay. . and paul i could’nt care less about who is a better singer, its the intolerance still against them, because of something they said 7 years ago, 7 years !

  20. Peter
    January 12, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    For the record, the Chicks never stopped getting airplay up here in the Great White North…Likely they didn’t thoughout the rest of the world too. For what that’s worth….

  21. Leeann Ward
    January 12, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Prior, I’m with Kelly. I’m not mocking, but flat out saying that you’re wrong. You’re grossly generalizing/hyperbolizing, which doesn’t help your cause in this still sensitive topic. Two wrongs don’t make a right, as they say.

    Paul,
    I wish I was looking forward to Marty’s and Emily’s album more, but I’m guessing that it might be mostly instrumental, which typically isn’t my thing.

  22. Mark T
    January 12, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Well… Anyone who still hates the Dixie Chicks this day in time isn’t worth talking about. When Tim McGraw said this about Bush….. “If you don’t know what your doing, you shouldn’t be doin it!” Nobody said anything about that because it was in 2005 when everyone was starting to hate Bush anyways. The Dixie Chicks can say what they want, when they want, and on whatever platform they want. This new album will definately open up at #3 or above on the Billboard charts. Likely #1. They are set as far as debut sales are concerned.

  23. Jon G.
    January 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Prior’s right; FUTK is just unforgivable. ;)

  24. Nicolas
    January 12, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    I’m not sure I’m interested in a Dixie Chicks album if Natalie isn’t singing on it… after all, its her voice that I love about them… I can’t even tell at this point whether or not Emily or Martie can really sing all that well, because they’re always harmonizing

  25. Kelly
    January 12, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    “i am implying that every southerner (still) hates the dixie chicks for what they said.”

    Well Prior, then I am mocking you now. Since you have decided to take such an ignorant and narrow view of the matter, it’s pretty easy for me to do so. I am from the south and rather enjoy the chicks fine work. Enjoy your blissful existence.

  26. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    futk is just unforgivable , well photoshopped pictures of natalie and saddam is just unforgivable too

  27. Razor X
    January 12, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    its the intolerance still against them, because of something they said 7 years ago, 7 years !

    What, is there some statute of limitations on how long people are allowed be offended? And for the record, I am not from the south.

  28. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    leaan, if this is still a sensitive topic why then am i hyperbolizing?
    and kelly i’m sorry if if offended you.

  29. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    why where you offended razor?

  30. Marc
    January 12, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    dixie chicks still get airplay in this southern city

  31. Leeann Ward
    January 12, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    leaan, if this is still a sensitive topic why then am i hyperbolizing?

    I don’t know, you tell me.

    Saying that everyone in the south hates the Dixie Chicks for what they said is a careless exaggeration. when called on it, you maintain the same hyperbolic assertion. It’s ridiculous.

  32. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    well…. the south boycotted them.
    trashed their records.
    denied them any awards.
    boooed them at award shows.

  33. K
    January 12, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    I’ve always liked the Dixie Chicks, but I don’t see this new album without Natalie being a success. I think her unique voice is a big part of their formula for sucess. I realize the talents of the group are elevated when Emily and Martie’s talents are added in, but I think the core of their success has a lot to do with Natalie. After all, how many groups out there have fans because they don’t enjoy the lead singer’s voice? None that I can see.

    Emily and Martie are obviously talented musicians, but I just can’t see hard-core DC fans buying this project.

    As far as “the incident” goes? I think both the Chicks and radio are to blame. Natalie didn’t do anything wrong by speaking her opinion, and I admire that she never backed down. But she should realize that her remarks were what started the decline of their career; she seems to blame radio or anyone ahe can get at when it comes to talking about what happened. I think her swipes at Toby Keith were extremely inapropriate and childish, but both of them should’ve acted like adults in the situation and taken the high road.

    Although some fans are blaming radio and southern folks for their diminished presence in country music, I think it’s fair to remember that Natlie herself denouced country music and decided they were leaving the genre for good. I realize this was because of the incident, but people can’t blame country fans and radio when one of their own memebers dosen’t even consider them the same.

  34. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    what is career decline?
    2 million copies sold of an album and 5 grammy’s?
    most artists would kill for such a “career decline “.

  35. K
    January 12, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Compared to the level that their career used to be at, yes I would consider it a decline.

  36. Bill
    January 12, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I truly Love the Chicks, but if Natalie isn’t on the new album, then I’m not interested. It’s not going to be the same without Natalie, she’s the voice of the Dixie Chicks.

  37. prior
    January 12, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    ok but lets see the record sales of rascal flatts then and now.
    is this a career decline also?
    (this is a real question, not a denouncement)

  38. K
    January 12, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Rascal Flatts are still selling very well, but I don’t think it’s completely fair to compare the two.

    The Chicks were still around when album sales were stellar, and it was possible to sell ten million copies of a single album.

    Rascal Flatts only had about two or three years on the country scene, while the Chicks had already been around for about double that.

    I realize that it’s fair to say they have sold about what “Unstoppable” has thus far, but is it really accurate to compare albums sales from then and now? The Chicks sold ten million albums and went diamond several times; compare to their sales now, and see what I mean. I know no artist sells what they used to, but their sales have declined darastically.

    Please stop the comparsions though; there is no need to do so. I love and respect Rascal Flatts, but I enjoy and respect DC as well. I would never think of saying anything negative about them or their talents, regardless of whether I cared for them or not. These groups appeal to different people, they have different levels of success, and they have both been around for different amounts of time.

    No one can say for sure where either of these bands would stack up if they were “competing” today, and it isn’t very accurate to speculate that becuse the market and landscape for obtaining music is so different.

    As I said, I enjoy both DC and Rascal Flatts, and I think we should just respect each other’s tastes and leave it at that.

  39. Katie
    January 12, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Well I’m live in Knoxville Tennessee I’m not sure how southern you have to be but I still don’t like Dixie Chicks and never will!

    I thought they stood on the Grammy show last year or year before and said they are not country any more I say good go pop or move to Hollywood for all I care.

  40. Jon
    January 12, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    I didn’t see anything in Ed Morris’s piece saying, or even suggesting, that a record put out by Martie and Emily will be credited to the Dixie Chicks, so the question of whether or not it would “be” the Dixie Chicks sans Natalie Maines is kind of a moot one.

    Me, I’m looking forward to an album of fiddle tunes from Martie, especially if Scott Vestal’s playing banjo on it.

  41. 1953
    January 12, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    go away Dixie Chicks. go to Hollywood, take Tim McGraw, Faith Hill and Sheryl Crow with you, hopefully never to hear your voices on Country Radio again.

  42. Razor X
    January 12, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    why where you offended razor?

    You know why. Let’s not get into all of that again.

  43. CountryTwangfan
    January 12, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Just baffles me some Conservatives support censoring artists on the radio that might not tow the Conservative line.

  44. Ian
    January 12, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Like liberals would not support sensoring artists on the radio that might not tow the liberal line? Why do you think conservative talk radio hosts are trying to be censored?

  45. Jon G.
    January 12, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    WHY SO SERIOUS?

    Just kidding. But really, if you answer this question, then you have problems.

  46. Vicki
    January 13, 2010 at 5:57 am

    I would love a bluegrass/alternative album from Martie and Emily.

  47. Mando
    January 13, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Looking forward for the project of Martie en Emily. Emily is also singing lead on the album so its not only instrumental.

  48. Paul W Dennis
    January 13, 2010 at 11:53 am

    The Chix still get some airplay here in Central Florida although “Not Ready To Make Nice” doesn’t seem to get any airplay (nor should it), and I haven’t heard “Goodbye Earl” in a while , either

    An Emily & Martie album certainly could be released as a Dixie Chicks album . I suspect that the sisters may own the rights to the name since they are the only constant with the group over the last 15 years. If they do, then they would be well within their rights to do so

  49. Taran
    January 13, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    I’m confused by the Dixie Chicks article. Are they releasing an album as the “Dixie Chicks” or just as a side project? I love Martie and Emily, but I’m only interested in the Chicks with all three of them together. Natalie’s voice makes that act work for me. I hope she gets back in the studio soon. I really miss them.

  50. Nicolas
    January 13, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Taran: “Natalie’s voice makes that act work for me. I hope she gets back in the studio soon. I really miss them.”

    Me too; I want more Dixie Chicks music – but without Natalie, it wouldn’t even sound like a Dixie Chicks record.

  51. Bill
    January 13, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Taran, this seems to be more of a side project for Martie, and Emily is helping her out. The Chicks are still together, and I’m sure all 3 will be back in the Studio together Recording an Amazing new album in the future. Natalie is rumored to be doing a collaboration on Maroon 5’s new album coming out early 2010.

    http://www.dailyitem.com/0300_entertainment/local_story_315215055.html

    Levine, Carmichael and Valentine share the songwriting responsibilities but Maroon 5 has always been open to collaborations. A song on the new album will showcase a collaboration with Natalie Maines of Dixie Chicks fame.

    According to Carmichael, the song that was recorded with Maines has a more organic and country feel but it is still pop.

  52. Lucy Atkinson
    January 15, 2010 at 6:47 am

    When I saw ‘New Dixie Chicks music’ I was so pleased as I love the Chicks – but then read it would be without Natalie? Surely, this won’t be new Dixie Chicks music, but the other girls just ‘doing their thing’ separately. Natalie Maines has got, for me,one of the best voices around, which gives the Chicks music it’s ‘must have’ quality. I also admire her and the rest of the Chicks for standing up for their opinions. They seem to me to be a breath of American fresh air, which was much appreciated here in the UK.

  53. Shannon D.
    January 15, 2010 at 9:08 am

    I agree Lucy. I believe Free Speech is the most important fundamental right. It’s b.s. that people make a big deal about the Dixie Chicks negative opinions toward then President Bush. Most people in America believed the same thing anyway–it’s a shame Country Music has alienated them. Country fans are getting the short stick…

  54. Brady Vercher
    January 15, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Well, I guess this clears up whether or not the new release from Emily and Martie will be a Dixie Chicks release or not–they’re going under the name Court Yard Hounds.

  55. Rick
    January 15, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Wow, that is such a fitting name for a country act! (lol)

  56. stormy
    January 15, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Katie: They didn’t go pop, they went Americana.

    Ian: I would imagine that conservative talk show hosts are trying to be censored because their other lame publicity stunts are failing them. They aren’t suceeding at it, so what’s the problem?

  57. highwayman3
    January 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    I’d imagine the reason Natalies out on this one is because it is going to be a country record. After her remarks about the genre she couldnt go against what she said and not ready to make nice and all that, so the sisters had to drop her to go back to their roots.

  58. Razor X
    January 15, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    I’m guessing that Emily and Martie are floating a trial balloon to see how they make out without Natalie. Not that it sounds like a project that will get any support from mainstream radio. But it does sound to me like this is the beginning of the end of the Dixie Chicks.

  59. Paul W Dennis
    January 16, 2010 at 6:10 am

    If Emily & Martie use another name other than Dixie Chicks (unless they simply want to bill it under their own names) , they are wimping out as they ARE the Dixie Chicks

  60. 1953
    January 16, 2010 at 8:08 am

    the Dixie Chicks, all of them, have made it clear they stand by the remarks made about President Bush. they are not ready to make nice, neither am I. go away. go to Hollywood. you are not country music, you do not care anything about this genre other than the money it makes you. go away.

  61. Razor X
    January 16, 2010 at 8:39 am

    If Emily & Martie use another name other than Dixie Chicks (unless they simply want to bill it under their own names) , they are wimping out as they ARE the Dixie Chicks.

    I think using the Dixie Chicks name on the album presents some problems because fans would have the reasonable expectation of Natalie having taken part in the project. I don’t think they can use the group name without her, unless she formally and permanently leaves the group. I agree that it’s a bit of a cop-out to create a new band name and they’d be better off putting out the album under their own names.

  62. Lucy Atkinson
    January 16, 2010 at 9:36 am

    1953, are you saying that you can’t make real country music if you oppose the kind of politics that Bush espoused? I’m not trying to be inflammatory here, but really looking for information. As a British country fan, I would be very sad to think that all ‘real’ country music was made by those whose political stance is so different to my own.

  63. Razor X
    January 16, 2010 at 9:40 am

    I don’t think 1953 is saying that the Dixie Chicks can’t be considered “real country” because of their political stance. Rather, I think he/she is referring to the Chicks’ own declaration that they no longer consider themselves country artists.

  64. Leeann Ward
    January 16, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Honestly, I don’t think the Chicks said any thing worse about country music than many of us bloggers has said over the last couple years. I still consider myself a big country music fan, but I’m also very critical of it.

  65. prior
    January 16, 2010 at 10:10 am

    the only thing that is irritating is K’s rascall flatts fanboy/fangirl rant.

  66. stormy
    January 16, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Razor: I’m just perplexed as to why people think that involves a move to Hollywood as the centers for Americana are Texas, Chicago and Raleigh.

  67. Razor X
    January 16, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Martie McGuire to the German magazine Der Spiegel in 2003:

    “We don’t feel a part of the country scene any longer, it can’t be our home anymore.” She noted a lack of support from country stars, and being shunned at the 2003 ACM awards. “Instead, we won three Grammys against much stronger competition. So we now consider ourselves part of the big rock ‘n’ roll family.”

    Nothing about a move to Americana in that statement.

  68. Razor X
    January 16, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Honestly, I don’t think the Chicks said any thing worse about country music than many of us bloggers has said over the last couple years. I still consider myself a big country music fan, but I’m also very critical of it.

    I really don’t want to start up another round in the Dixie Chicks controversy, but I’ll just say this to clarify my own position. I agree with Leeann’s quote above. Nobody’s been more critical of modern country music than I have. That isn’t the issue. I was annoyed by their initial comments about President Bush, but that alone wasn’t enough to turn me against them. What bothered me more was their behavior in the aftermath — the half-hearted and later retracted apology, appearing nude on the cover of Entertainment magazine, the escalation of the feud with Toby Keith (though admittedly he shares much of the blame for that), and their demands that other country artists commit career suicide by defending their outrageous behavior. The real breaking point for me came when Martie McGuire said,

    “I’d rather have a smaller following of really cool people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba McEntire and Toby Keith. We don’t want those kinds of fans. They limit what you can do.”

    They don’t want those kinds of fans? Fine. That was it for me. But what irritated me more than anything was the way they later tried to portray themselves as the victims in this fiasco, when they were in the drivers’ seats the whole time, and were, in fact, the architects of their own downfall.

  69. K
    January 16, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    @Prior: What does Rascal Flatts have to do with this article? I stated my opinion that you should just let it go, and I did it respectfully. Just because you chose to compare them without merit doesn’t mean I have to go along with it. I believe I’ve given several valid points, most of which you obviously don’t even read.

    I could care less if you don’t care about my opinion, but I will speak up if I want to.

  70. Leeann Ward
    January 16, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    As somebody who rarely listens to either Toby or Reba, I wasn’t personally offended, since they weren’t talking about me.

  71. prior
    January 16, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    nah, just…. the fact that anybody could have rascall flatts as their favourite (boy) band…

  72. prior
    January 16, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    well normally i dont care because my favourite artist is waylon jennings… i mean, thats country! thats where the heart and soul of country is right there. your band is a basically betrayal of all thats good in country music. its corrupt, void of any meaning, soulles, bland, cliche, drenched in vanilla, basically it’s dreck.
    brought by a fat guy with a guy who sings like it’s coming out of someone ass and two… well you know what i mean.

  73. K
    January 16, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    @Prior. Wow. You just can’t let it go, can you? These guys are no “boy band.” They are grown men who make mature music. They are incredible musicans, writers, singers, performers, and all-around great individuals.

    It seems to me that people like you just fall into the boy-band trite because you don’t like them. Are all male bands who sing primarily about adult relationships boy bands too? Are male bands who have primarily female fans thrown into that category, too. If you don’t answer my specific questions and/or actually give a valid reason or two for your opinion then you’ll tell me everything I need to know. Maybe you should actually go listen to artists you like; then you won’t have to work so hard to come off as anything but negative and bitter.

  74. Steve M.
    January 16, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I myself appreciated the Dixie Chicks appearing nude of a magazine cover.

  75. Jon G.
    January 16, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    K
    Since Prior might not give you an actual answer, I took it upon myself to do so, simply because I think it deserves one.
    To answer your question, you’d really have to look at what a boy band is. What boundaries define the term? Was Alabama a boy band? Certainly not. N*Sync? Backstreet Boys? Certainly so. But what makes them boy bands?
    Honestly, I haven’t a clue. For me, it’s in the sound. Boy bands sound like boy bands. Rascal Flatts sounds like N*Sync or Backstreet, so I call them a boy band.
    Is being a boy band inherently a bad thing? No, or at least, I don’t think so. The best boy bands occasionally make critically acclaimed music, usually have several big hits, and have platinum+ albums and sold-out concerts. It’s just that, well, not everybody likes them.
    I hate Rascal Flatts’ music. I think it sucks. I really don’t know how to explain it. I used to like them, back in the good old days when they had singles like “I’m Movin’ On,” “Prayin’ for Daylight,” “These Days,” “Mayberry,” etc. However, I feel like their sound has changed significantly over the years. It has progressively gotten more and more pop-oriented until it has lost virtually every semblance to country music. When they started out, they were a country boy band, but now they’re just a boy band. Boy bands don’t belong on country music.
    Beyond the FACT that they’re not country, I honestly think that the quality of their music has dwindled. I don’t think it’s country. I don’t think it’s good. I don’t like it.
    So, K, I hope that this ramble has answered your question.
    If not, sorry you read it. :)

  76. Chris N.
    January 16, 2010 at 5:52 pm

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  77. prior
    January 16, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    1.rascal flatts are not songwriters, the beatles they are not.
    2.all around great individuals? does that matter?
    are you so hopeless that you identify with them?
    3. to answer G. whenever in goddamn music history
    was a boy band a good thing?

  78. sam (sam)
    January 16, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Some of the posts above mention that the Dixie Chicks didn’t just make the President Bush remark, they also behaved in a way that seemed deliberately inflammatory for months after Natalie’s comments.

    I wonder if country radio would have gone back to playing their songs a bit sooner had they not engaged in some of those other stunts. I wonder if listeners would have gotten over the Bush remarks, so to speak, if the Chicks issued a non apology apology type statement and then kept on their best behavior.

    I don’t know if country fans would have re-embraced the Chicks I am somewhat perplexed by the whole reaction.Many anti-Chick country fans seem to embrace artists who have done things I think far worse than the Chicks ever did – include drive drunk, abuse a spouse, have affairs, blow off concerts, abuse drugs, et cetera. Sure, Natalie Maines seems to be a fool; George Jones seems to be a detestable human being [though perhaps he has reformed], and yet Maines seems to gets more hatred on the message boards. Sometimes I don’t understand the morality of many country fans.

    And even if fans, radio, et cetera would have reembraced the Chicks had the chicks done things differently, perhaps the Chicks made a reasonable decision to go the way the did.

  79. K
    January 16, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Thanks Jon.

    That’s a very well-written and (somewhat) true answer. You are right that the quality of their music has downgraded, and I scincerly hope they start making worthwhile music that they should. I still like them, but they are definatly more forgettable than they used to be.

    In all fairness though, they have recorded a few memorable singles on their last few albums, but they never got released as singles. Also, all music seems to be of lesser quality in the mainstream market these days; I personally don’t think that should be exclusively blamed on them. On the whole though, I do agree with you that
    their body of work has gotten weaker.

    As far as the boy band argument? I appreciate that you said that matter is subjective. I realize they are anything by tarditional country, but on the same token, I don’t think that means they are a pop act. Country music to me has everything to do with honest lyrics and real situations, which I feel they have always stuck by. I can’t see “She Goes All The Way,” “Here,” “Things That Matter,” “Here” “Why” or any other of their current songs making on Top 40 radio. Adult Cotemporary radio is about close to “pop” as I see them going. Could you honestly say they’d fit better on a playlist filled with Lady Gaga and Beyonce than Lady Atebellum and Kenny Chesney? Many country acts are guilty of having a more pop sound, but that doesn’t automatically mean they belong in another genere all together.

    I’ve found the boy band argument thrown on Rascal Flatts many times, and it only seems to come in from people who don’t like their music or think they are too pop. I don’t think this is an accurate, especially if you cannot back it up with concrete answers. If they are a boy band but you can’t think of the answer of why you have that opinion, do you have a reason to say that, or are you just being cowardly?

    There is definatly a negative stigma that comes with the term “boy band” and I think people who don’t care for them throw around in a carefree manner, expecting it to garner a negative reaction.

    When I chose to respond to posters like Prior and others who don’t care for music I like, I’m doing to try and gain a different prospective. Saying “so and so sucks” or “so and so is pop” is an opinion; I won’t question that. But if you say “so and so sucks because they’re pop and a boyband” then I’m going to be inclined to ask why. This is a discussion blog, right? But when someone refuses to engage in a discussion and choses to be rude, defamatory towards an artist and the individual with that opinion, I will certaintly continue going around about it.

    Prior was rude, defamatory and jugemental of both myself and my opinions, so I chose to stick up for what I had previously said. I asked him respectfully to stop discussing the matter, and he continued to disrespect myself and opinions.

  80. stormy
    January 16, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Sam:
    Don’t forget though, George Jones is a man and Natalie is a woman. Steve Earle said far worse about both Bush and Toby Keith and no one said boo about it.

  81. Jon G.
    January 16, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Understandable.

    You do have a very good point about mainstream music decreasing in overall quality in the past several years. I was not blaming this decline on Rascal Flatts. I don’t hold Gary and co. accountable for anyone’s music but their own.

    I was being honest about the boy band thing. Maybe you’re right and it’s just a derogatory term used to insult all-male pop groups. The thing is, the whole definition is a little sketchy. Again, it’s not inherently a bad thing, as only successful all-male pop groups are labelled boy bands. For me, it’s not about quality.

    And I personally don’t think that they’re bad because they’re pop. I think that their music is bad just becuase I think their music is bad. (I’ll own up to actually liking a few true pop songs from the past decade or so, including some even from boy bands. The main difference between people like Rascal Flatts, Taylor Swift, and Carrie Underwood and, say, Beyonce is that Beyonce isn’t played on “country” radio.)

    If I’m being a 100% honest, I don’t really think that Rascal Flatts would sound too out of place on a playlist between Lady Gaga and Beyonce.

    As always, I will respect your opinion. I live in America, and, more importantly, I believe in the values it’s supposed to be founded on. Just because I can’t understand why you like something doesn’t mean you can’t like it anyway.

    Good discussion :)

  82. Jon G.
    January 16, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Razor X, Steve M

    I’d just like to say that I like the way you guys think.

    That is all.

  83. Stephen H.
    January 16, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Maybe Chris N. knows this or remembers this, but I seem to recall when Rascal Flatts first came out and they were profiled in Country Weekly, they were called a “country boy band,” and I don’t seem to remember them fighting that tag.

    It wasn’t until later on, I thought, that Jay and Joe Don started playing instruments (and didn’t one of them or the other sing lead on a few of the songs on the debut album?).

  84. K
    January 16, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Jon,

    I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree here. But I respect your opinion, and the fact that you were respectful and mature while doing so I appreciate your honesty (:

    Stephen,

    I don’t recall Rascal Flatts ever fighting against the boy band label. They are very vocal about having to fight that label from the begining of their career. From what I’ve gathered though, they felt they had that label because people assumed they were manufactured, and put together by the brainchild of a radio excutive. Their issue with that particular term doesn’t seem to have anything to do with their sound.

    Also, if I rememeber correctly, I think Jay and Joe Don said they both played some insturments on the first three albums, but it wasn’t until “Me And My Gang” that they were able to play all their own guitar and bass parts.

  85. sam (sam)
    January 16, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Stormy raises a good point: did Maines receive harsh treatment in part because she is a woman? It seems like a real possibility.

  86. K
    January 16, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Sam,

    That’s a good point, and it’s probably somewhat true that Natalie was treated differently because she’s a woman; women have always had the disavantage in this business.

    Prior,

    You say what does RF being nice guys have to do with anything? What does Gary’s weight have to do with it? Your “point” is just as irrelevant as mine, if you chose to play that game.

    Anyway, I’m done with this. I’m not responding to you any longer (which is what you wanted all along). I guess you answered my question though, so thank you. Note to self: Don’t start a discussion with anyone who will twist in into an unreconizable mess. Thanks Jon, for being respectful.

    For the record, I really do miss the Chicks (:

  87. Steve M.
    January 16, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    I would agree that that gender played a role in the whole Dixie Chicks affair. Of course radio deregulation played a huge part as well-the cowardly refusal of Clear Channel to play any Dixie Chick music disgusted me to no end. Evidently, no one in the company had ever read “The Crucible” and wanted to participate in a witch hunt for themselves. There is a reason why Ray Wylie Hubbard wrote that music executives and country radio program directors have a special place in Hell awaiting them.

  88. Troy
    January 16, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    @stormy I think it was more Natalie was much more famous. The Dixie Chicks were coming off two high selling albums while steve had an album that wasn’t in billboard top 200 album top 40.

    Also, I don’t get why being called a boy band would be such a bad thing and use it as being an insult. As Jon said they sold extremely well, defined later part of a decade, and the best were critically acclaim.

    I did a project on this for a psych class and if you label a band as boy band it holds very negative effect on how much people will like a songs. I used these two songs for it. For baseline I had one group randomly split into two each one got a different song. Both groups rated the song 1 to 10 when i didn’t say anything about who sang it Westlife got a 7.2 and Daughtry got 7.4. With another group I randomly separated them and this time said Westlife was a boy band and they went down to 3.1 for their average. While Daughtry average 7.5.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pCcRJgbDis&feature=related (Boy Band)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy71D3p-yHc (Rock band)

  89. stormy
    January 16, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    And how much of the “boycott” was Clear Channel using a Fox News trend to get people rallying behind them instead of against them for once?

  90. Steve M.
    January 16, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Fox News and Clear Channel. Talk about a marriage made in hell.

  91. Brady Vercher
    January 16, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    You’d think the Dixie Chicks had no part in their own undoing by reading some of the comments around here.

  92. Steve M.
    January 16, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    No, but I found the hysteria over them to be very over-the-top. Not to mention the 1st amendment arguments it brings up. The fact that the country radio (i.e. large corporations like Clear Channel) refuse to play an artist over their political beliefs or statements is a pretty frightening idea to me. Or do we want only artists like Taylor Swift who would have trouble distinguishing Iran from Iraq?

  93. Brady Vercher
    January 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Last I checked, Clear Channel wasn’t part of the government, so it doesn’t exactly invoke First Amendment arguments. And nowhere are the Dixie Chicks or any other artist guaranteed a right to radio play–just ask the millions of artists struggling to have their music heard.

    I suppose you’ve talked to Taylor Swift about the difference between Iraq and Iran? Otherwise, that little dig is about as pathetic as they come.

  94. sam (sam)
    January 16, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    I think the Dixie Chicks have a large part in their undoing; after the original comments, the Chicks acted in a way that seemed calculated to anger more fans. I don’t know what would have happened had they eschewed FUTK-shirt type stunts. But their post “incident” behavior quite likely sealed their fate at radio.

    Also, i believe that after “Traveling Soldier” fell from the charts, the next song they sent to radio was a lullabye that might have had little chance of substantial airplay even absent the whole “incident.” That couldn’t have helped them.

    There’s a lot of blame to go around. The whole situation is unfortunate as the Chicks were one of the more interesting acts on mainstream radio in 2002 and early 2003, I think.

  95. Steve M.
    January 16, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    My fault-I mixed up peroxide blonds who don’t know 8th grade geography.

    http://blog.cmt.com/2008-02-19/someone-please-tell-kellie-pickler-about-france/

  96. Dan E.
    January 17, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Steve M.: Randomly throwing in negative comments about artists not being discussed about really doesn’t shed much light on you. Also, it’s probably a very safe bet that there are plenty of 8th grade questions that you would not be able to answer correctly anymore.

  97. Razor X
    January 17, 2010 at 12:30 am

    And how much of the “boycott” was Clear Channel using a Fox News trend to get people rallying behind them instead of against them for once?

    It was 100% down to Fox News and Clear Channel, because Fox obviously has an interest in what gets played on country radio. Besides, people couldn’t possibly have arrived at their own conclusions on such a matter. Good grief!

  98. Steve M.
    January 17, 2010 at 12:32 am

    I’d take that bet Dan. Country radio executives prefer their artists young, dumb and naive.

  99. Razor X
    January 17, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Or do we want only artists like Taylor Swift who would have trouble distinguishing Iran from Iraq?

    I thought that was Alan Jackson.

  100. Razor X
    January 17, 2010 at 12:37 am

    And as far as the matter of the Dixie Chicks not getting played on country radio — I don’t know what’s going on in other parts of the country, but they are getting played on my local station and have been for quite some time. Of course it’s only their older music that gets played; nothing from the last album got airplay. But they have no cause for complaint there since they no longer consider themselves country artists.

  101. Dan E.
    January 17, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Steve M: What is country radio waiting for? You need to hurry up and submit a song to them pronto. You’d be hired on the spot.

  102. stormy
    January 17, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Sam: The FUTK “incident” was a one time reaction to Toby Keith’s “bash the chicks” marketing gimmick that included a photo of Natalie cuddling with Hussein. Lets remember the context.

    Raxor: Fox cares about ratings pure and simple. The Chicks gave them a chance to increase their ratings.

  103. sam (sam)
    January 17, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Stormy: I know the FUTK shirt was a reaction to Toby, and one that he very well deserved for some of the childish nonsense he was pulling at the time.

    That said, it probably didn’t help the Chicks in terms of public relations. Now again, why Toby was able to get away with his childish antics while the Chicks seemed to take so much flak for their response is a good question…

    Toby’s Natalie/Hussein images are nonsense, too. It shouldn’t take a genius to realize that opposing Bush’s policies is not the same as supporting Saddam Hussein and horrendous rule in Iraq. In many ways the Toby stunt is a lot more egregious than Natalies FUTK response, but alas there wasn’t a mass uproar over Toby’s crap…

  104. Razor X
    January 17, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Raxor: Fox cares about ratings pure and simple. The Chicks gave them a chance to increase their ratings.

    The #1 news outlet in the country doesn’t need the Dixie Chicks to improve its ratings. And the story was hardly that a big ratings-grabber, anyway. Not to mention that every other news outlet spent similar amounts of time covering it. Were NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN in on the conspiracy as well?

  105. stormy
    January 17, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Razor: That’s how Fox News worked back then–they would start a story and see if they could get it coverage on the other news stories.

  106. nm
    January 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    BTW, it was not Clear Channel that purged the Dixie Chicks from its stations’ playlists. It was Cumulus. Not that I am a fan of any huge radio conglomeration, since I think such conglomerations have destroyed good radio. But they aren’t all identical. Cumulus is owned by the Sinclair family, which frequently uses its radio and television outlets to promote right-wing causes.

  107. Jon
    January 17, 2010 at 5:10 pm

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  108. stormy
    January 17, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    NM: Cumulus is actively tied to right wing media.

  109. nm
    January 17, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Cumulus is part of the right-wing media. My point is that there’s no point in blaming Clear Channel for things Cumulus does since they aren’t the same entity.

  110. liz
    January 20, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Here’s their official website: http://www.courtyardhounds.com

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