Patty Griffin Live Album To Be Released Digitally Sept. 2

Brody Vercher | August 18th, 2008

  1. Baron Lane
    August 18, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Great post today (I might have to, uh hum procure a few bits.) Patty Griffin is amazing live, that should be a treat and I hope that enough of the Helms/Gill was completed so that it can be released.

    I’m skeptical of the John Carter Cash post since Carter Cash produced the Cash remix album (and it is good.)

  2. Matt C.
    August 18, 2008 at 11:41 am

    The Cash remixed album is the most awful, disgusting and offensive thing that I have heard in my entire life.

  3. leeann
    August 18, 2008 at 11:43 am

    I wonder if the album that Helms and Vince Gill was working on was a Gill project or that Hank Williams project that Bob Dylan was working on? It would be cool if Vince was doing a project of his own though.

    Did anyone see him on the Opry last night? I loved his tributes to Helms by singing traditional, steel laidin songs!

  4. Rick
    August 18, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Vince Gill was the host of this past weekend’s “Opry Live” program on GAC and used his time to honor the memory of Don Helms throughout the show, which was greatly appreciated. I wasn’t aware the two had been working together recently…

    Thanks for the links to music from The Lucky Tomblin Band and Heybale. Great stuff to be sure.

  5. Baron Lane
    August 18, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Matt C Said “The Cash remixed album is the most awful, disgusting and offensive thing that I have heard in my entire life.”

    Really? Have you heard that Taylor Swift? ;)

  6. leeann
    August 18, 2008 at 11:53 am

    I’d take Taylor Swift over that JC remixed stuff any day!

  7. C. Eric Banister
    August 18, 2008 at 11:56 am

    If anyone gets the Ovation channel (I have Dish Network) they replay that Patty Griffin show on there periodically. The series is called “The Artists Den” and they have episodes with Ben Harper, Josh Ritter and a few others.

  8. Matt B.
    August 18, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Honestly,

    I wanted to hate the Cash remix album but I find it actually pretty cool. Is it country? No. But for electronic music? It’s not bad. I could do without the Snoop Dog track though.

    I’d hardly call it the worst or offensive thing I’ve ever heard in my life (that’d be something like KKK hate songs that were in American History X).

  9. Baron Lane
    August 18, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Yeah well, the remixed stuff isn’t for everybody, but I am a fan of good DJ/Producers and have heard some awesome remixes of classic artists like Nina Simone, Cannonball Adderley and Miles Davis. I think the artists on the Cash Remixed project are top notch and displayed a love of the material (and the man) when they produced it. But if you don’t like “techno” stuff, stay away.

  10. leeann
    August 18, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Yeah, I’m not a fan of electronic music…one of the reasons I hate eighties music, I’m guessing.:)

  11. Trailer
    August 18, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Yes, 80’s music blows. Except for hair metal. (insert joke here__)

  12. Jim Malec
    August 18, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    I agree with Matt C about the Cash remix album. In fact, the exact way I described it, I believe, was:

    “Blasphemy! The worst piece of [dung] I’ve ever heard.”

  13. Matt B.
    August 18, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Jim,

    That’s the way I felt until I heard what they did with “Get Rhythm.” I really, really, wanted to hate it so I could write a nasty review of it the way I did that Laura Bryna review. I just can’t do it though.

  14. Paula
    August 18, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Well, since we’re talking about Johnny Cash here …. did anybody see this?

    http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080818/TUNEIN/80818038

  15. John Maglite
    August 18, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    I have 0 interest in the Cash remix album. Not a fan of electronic music anyway, plus the whole thing just smacks of opportunism to me.

    Country Universe picked up on that statement from Rosanne and has a discussion of it already in progress, Paula. You may want to have a look.

    Aaand, finally, thanks for yet another plug!

  16. Paula
    August 18, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Thanks John, will do! :-)

  17. mikeky
    August 18, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    i’ve listened to that johnny cash remixed cd. so what exactly is the problem? it’s remixed music with laptops, computer-generated programs, rappers, techno artists. so what? i thought it was pretty damn good–there’s a lot of hard work gone into that.

    and wasn’t johnny cash especially open minded in terms of genre? didn’t he record with soundgarden (‘twisted willie’)? didn’t he hang around with bob dylan? what’s the problem with having snoop dogg do a cash song his own way? maybe cash would have dug it. who knows?

    or maybe we should just put the “respectful” music under glass, where no one can possibly touch it and make it applicable to their own lives (or talents).

    give john carter cash credit for trying to blur the lines between genres. maybe cash fits in wherever he needs to.

    i’ll be buying the cash remix record. it sounds like a winner.

  18. Ohplease
    August 18, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Oh, Please. “The most awful, disgusting and offensive thing”? Really?

    Let me translate: “That’s not my kind of music. How DARE those uneducated no-talent hacks touch the sacred with their dirty paws? Have they no respect for their elders? This is not high music–this is lowly and beneath contempt. The sound of the unkempt unwashed masses. What’s the music world coming to? Dear God help us.”

    Sounds like an opera critic of country music, doesn’t it? There’s an awful lot of hoity-toity city folks that have the same criticism of country music. Maybe they don’t need us joining them.

    It’s a big tent, folks. Come on in. It may not be your cup of tea, but comments like “awful, disgusting, offensive, shit” are unnecessary.

  19. Matt C.
    August 18, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    OhPlease: I don’t believe in musical relativism. There is such a thing as good music and bad music. Not simply music that I like and music that isn’t my “cup of tea.”

  20. Jim Malec
    August 18, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    I think those kinds of comments are very necessary–if those kind of comments keep even one person from buying that piece of crap album, then we’ve done our job.

  21. Chris N.
    August 18, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    I don’t believe there is such a thing as good music and bad music. There is, perhaps honest music and dishonest music.

  22. Jim Malec
    August 18, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    By the way, when Matt C. and I agree this fervently on something (positive or negative) you know it must be a “special” record–’cause that doesn’t happen very often.

  23. Jim Malec
    August 18, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Oh, there is good music and bad music. Of course there is. Does that homeless guy down on 43rd who randomly plucks guitar strings play good music? No, he has no idea what he’s doing–he’s crazy and senile and that is BAD music.

    I think a more appropriate question would be how we delineate good music from bad music, and where and how we draw those types of boundaries. Those things will always be subjective (relative) to an extent.

    The counterargument, of course, is that someone thinks the homeless guy’s music is good–maybe the homeless guy himself thinks that. If one person thinks music is good, does that make it good?

    Maybe it makes it good personally, but it certainly does not make it good culturally. And we don’t criticize music in a bubble. We criticize it culturally–because even when we’re espousing personal opinion or preference, our preferences and opinions are shaded by everything we’ve ever heard, by our expectations, our prejudices, and so on.

  24. Chris N.
    August 18, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    I’m not seeing any difference between:

    “Maybe it makes it good personally …”

    And:

    “[E]ven when we’re espousing personal opinion or preference, our preferences and opinions are shaded by everything we’ve ever heard, by our expectations, our prejudices, and so on.”

    The Rascal Flatts fan who swears up and down that “Bob That Head” is a masterpiece is just expressing an opinion based on expectations, prejudice and context (i.e., “everything we’ve ever heard”). I just don’t think it’s possible to demarcate “good” art from “bad” intrinsically.

  25. Jim Malec
    August 18, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    I agree with your main point, Chris, which (I think) is that we can never wholly determine what is good or bad art, and that, even if we could, it would be based only on what we know at any given point in time (and thus, what we think is bad might actually be good). It’s an artistic relativist argument…

    While I cannot disprove your point, I question its functionality. If there’s no such thing as good or bad art, than all art must have value, and all art must have an equal cultural value (since there’s no way to appoint any valuation). While that is true in theory, I think it’s a useless point in practice.

  26. Rick
    August 18, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    You guys have succeeded in convincing me not to ever consider purchasing the Cash remix travesty (not that I would have otherwise…) (lol)

    If someone takes iconic traditional country songs and converts them into musical forms and styles I intrinsically don’t like, then I’m not interested. On the other hand it may turn non-country fans who do like those other styles of music onto the genius of Johnny Cash, so maybe its not totally evil…..

  27. Ohplease
    August 18, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    But it’s ‘shit’? ‘Disgusting’? Really? That’s the criticism? That’s the long drawn-out flowery review? Gee, thanks. :) I won’t buy it now, based on those gems of musical criticism. That saves me about 10 bucks.

  28. Chris N.
    August 18, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    “If there’s no such thing as good or bad art, than all art must have value and all art must have an equal cultural value (since there’s no way to appoint any valuation).”

    Not at all. The cultural value is decided person by person, community by community, moment by moment, and it’s subject to change at any time. Take Stravinsky’s “Rites of Spring,” which was so hated upon its premiere that the audience literally rioted. Within a few years, having had the opportunity to acclimate itself to the piece’s unorthodoxy, that same community decreed that it did have great cultural value after all.

  29. Jim Malec
    August 18, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Yeah, of course–this comment thread is meant to be taken as our official criticism.

  30. m.c.
    August 18, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Since someone asked about the Gill/Helms recording, it is for the project of unrecorded or unfinished Hank Williams songs that Bob Dylan is helping organize. They did one song (I don’t know the name of it), and I believe Rodney Crowell is on it too.

    The way I heard it, Vince and Rodney finished writing the song together, and Vince had the idea to bring Don in on it, and they were thrilled with what he did. It happened about two months ago, and may have been Helm’s last session. I imagine someone is looking into that or will by time the album is released.

  31. Rick
    August 18, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    For a bit of comic relief in the midst of all this tension, check out Craig Shelburne’s review of a Taylor Swift concert last Friday night. The concert was a scream, literally…..(lol)
    Link: http://www.cmt.com/news/country-music/1593029/taylor-swift-electrifies-her-fans-in-savannah-ga.jhtml

    I remember back when boys like David and Shaun Cassidy and Leif Garrett were what made ‘tween and teenybopper girls shriek. What in the hell has happened here? Hmmmm…….

  32. Ohplease
    August 18, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Rick–I guess it’s just become shit and disgusting and offensive. Although I’m apparently not required to give a reason. :)

    In all seriousness, thanks for the attempt at lightening things up. It’s needed.

    And I look forward to the ‘official’ review of the Johnny Cash Remixed record. Yea, I wait with bated breath (how many flowery and poofy words it takes to come to the conclusion of ‘shit’).

  33. mikeky
    August 18, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    i have no problem with someone thinking it’s ‘disgusting’, necessarily. if there’s a REASON someone would come to that conclusion, i’m curious as to what it is. maybe there is some sort of cultural bias going on. maybe there’s an inherent hatred of anything foreign. but we’ll never know because it was distilled into…well, ‘shit’. i would like to think there was something resembling logical thought involved, though. i don’t know. it was condensed into epithets. was the music too busy? was there too much going on? the loops don’t match up? the wrong sample utilized? what? this is obviously an acidpro rendition (which is clearly superior to a cakewalk mix)? these folks are…gasp…european? what?

    i can only assume it’s either they a)hated the RENDITIONS contained on the cd OR b)hate the very idea that someone had the stones to remix such a revered figure’s body of work IN GENERAL. i have no idea which, because it was just declared ‘shit’ and ‘disgusting’ and ‘offensive’ and left at that.

    who knows?

    of course, this cd has gotten more reaction that most nowadays. most music (especially country radio) elicits no response whatsoever. it’s not supposed to. talk to a radio programmer and see what they tell you. “might offend the advertisers, blah blah blah.” fill in the corporate blank. i guess i’d rather feel gut hatred or mental anguish over complete and utter ambivalence. in that sense, it’s a success. :)

  34. Matt B.
    August 18, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Mikeky,

    It’s probably more along those lines. The “stones to remix” Cash’s stuff. For what it is, I don’t mind it. It’s actually creative. That doesn’t mean it’s culturally relevant.

  35. mikeky
    August 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    agreed. creative is creative. maybe not my pot of tea. but creative, oh yeah.

    cash ‘reinvents’ quite a few songs in his career. changes a few chords. a lyric here and there. yes, folks, ‘folsom prison blues’ among them. and he WAS a genius, no doubt. no disrespect to cash intended. he remains one of the top five musicians in popular music EVER. but a techno musician with a copy of acidpro and a sampler does the same thing (changes a few lyrics, loops a few chords, raps some) and it’s clearly unacceptable.

  36. Matt C
    August 18, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    I don’t think that we’re planning an official review of the Cash remixed CD.

  37. Brody Vercher
    August 18, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Wow. This is what we consider creativity these days? Seriously? How so?

    Cash may have altered his lyrics and chords over time, but were they not his lyrics and chords to alter?

    I’ve seen no argument stating what makes the album so great, just laughable assumptions and speculation as to what Cash would think (which is pretty laughable itself in light of John Rich’s comments and Rosanne Cash’s response).

    Proclaiming the CD “creative” and “pretty damn good” has no more reason or supporting facts behind it than calling the album “disgusting,” “offensive,” and “shit.”

    Personally, the whole thing makes me want to repeatedly jab rusty ice picks through my ear drums.

    By the way, mikeky, it’d be appreciated if you stuck to one name.

  38. mikeky
    August 18, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    actually, sometimes the lyrics and chords WEREN’T HIS. look up ‘folsom prison blues’ and the lawsuits that were settled. surprise!!

    there’s a long folk tradition of switching up stuff and then–voila!!–your name appears on it. look at bob dylan’s two acoustic albums from the early ’90’s. somehow he got writer credit on those. weird, huh? :) also, ‘blowin’ in the wind’ is actually based on (almost verbatim) another folk tune (the name is escaping me at the moment). the only differences betwen then and now are the instruments they use(d). one had a fountain pen and a guitar and the other just happens to have a laptop computer and a turntable. it’s tradition.

    and i don’t think i’ve ever said what cash would like. i only said it’s POSSIBLE he could like such a thing. nobody knows. i doubt he would say to a musician ‘that’s shit, boy.’ he didn’t strike me as a crass kind of guy.

    and don’t jab ice picks in your ear drums. we’re all friends here, i hope. just differences.

    i’m not calling taylor swift ‘shit’ or ‘disgusting’. i don’t like her music, but it’s disrespectful of the musicians and the hard work to use terms like that. so yeah, i guess there is a difference between saying i think it’s creative and saying it’s ‘shit’. one is trying to be positive and charitable to a valiant effort and the other is…an epithet.

  39. mikeky
    August 18, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    by the way, i just played the remix of ‘get rhythm’ for two of my students. the boy student said ‘that’s pretty cool’ and the girl student start dancing. so maybe it’s possible remixes like this can turn folks on to johnny cash.

  40. leeann
    August 18, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    So, what’s going on here is that you don’t like four-letter words?:)

  41. Matt B.
    August 18, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    When I said creative above, I was referencing how they used the songs. Someone can be creative in a number of ways, doesn’t mean that creativity is good though.

  42. mikeky
    August 18, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    yes, that’s definitely it. :) i’ll get over it.

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