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	<title>Comments on: New Johnny Cash Releases Due Out in Spring; Rodney Atkins Cleared of Domestic Assault Charge; Merle Haggard Back in Action</title>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a matter of protecting Atkins or the industry; it&#039;s a matter of pointing out that luckyoldsun&#039;s criticism of the lovely and talented Ms. Thanki&#039;s is bogus.  

Atkins didn&#039;t choose to cop a plea.  Atkins didn&#039;t plea bargain.  And the court didn&#039;t give him a sentence.  &quot;Cop a plea&quot; and &quot;plea bargain&quot; both involve pleading guilty to a charge, which Atkins didn&#039;t do.  Neither was he prosecuted and found guilty on a charge.  Not having been found guilty, he wasn&#039;t (and couldn&#039;t have been) sentenced.  And the news here is that he&#039;s not going be prosecuted (never mind convicted) as long as he meets the conditions (not sentence) ordered by the court.  Instead, the charge will disappear, as if it had never been made in the first place.  

So it was perfectly reasonable for Juli - and the many other publications who used the same words - to have written that he was cleared of the charge.  Because that is, in fact, what happened.  

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of protecting Atkins or the industry; it&#8217;s a matter of pointing out that luckyoldsun&#8217;s criticism of the lovely and talented Ms. Thanki&#8217;s is bogus.  </p>
<p>Atkins didn&#8217;t choose to cop a plea.  Atkins didn&#8217;t plea bargain.  And the court didn&#8217;t give him a sentence.  &#8220;Cop a plea&#8221; and &#8220;plea bargain&#8221; both involve pleading guilty to a charge, which Atkins didn&#8217;t do.  Neither was he prosecuted and found guilty on a charge.  Not having been found guilty, he wasn&#8217;t (and couldn&#8217;t have been) sentenced.  And the news here is that he&#8217;s not going be prosecuted (never mind convicted) as long as he meets the conditions (not sentence) ordered by the court.  Instead, the charge will disappear, as if it had never been made in the first place.  </p>
<p>So it was perfectly reasonable for Juli &#8211; and the many other publications who used the same words &#8211; to have written that he was cleared of the charge.  Because that is, in fact, what happened.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ken Morton, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Morton, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon and LuckyOldSun, rather than have to lock this topic down, I&#039;d like to make a personal appeal for both sides to go back to the thoughtful and insightful discussion of music and end the personal stuff that seems to be going on weekly. I for one would love to see more commentary from Juli&#039;s growing readership and this discourages, rather than encourages, those efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon and LuckyOldSun, rather than have to lock this topic down, I&#8217;d like to make a personal appeal for both sides to go back to the thoughtful and insightful discussion of music and end the personal stuff that seems to be going on weekly. I for one would love to see more commentary from Juli&#8217;s growing readership and this discourages, rather than encourages, those efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: luckyoldsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>luckyoldsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t think it would be appreciated by the people running this website if you and I tried to turn it into a legal blog.

Suffice it to say that your belief and insistence--for no discernible reason--that a judge ordering a person to perform 4 days of community service does not constitute a sentence is bizarre. Is it because you find it relatively trivial? If the judge instead ordered Atkins to spend two nights in the county jail, would you insist that that&#039;s not a sentence?

In any event, the terminology is an irrelevant &quot;issue&quot; that you&#039;re obsessing on to distract from what was the point of the thread: I stated that it&#039;s misleading to write that Atkins &quot;has been cleared&quot;--suggesting that he was wrongly accused--when in actuality, he chose to cop a plea.

As the self-appointed protector of every person, institution and domestic animal that&#039;s part of the Nashville &quot;industry&quot; against every outsider, it really galls you that I pointed that out. So you keep repeating that I&#039;m stupid--even though I&#039;ve made it quite clear that your digs and insults don&#039;t bother me in the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t think it would be appreciated by the people running this website if you and I tried to turn it into a legal blog.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say that your belief and insistence&#8211;for no discernible reason&#8211;that a judge ordering a person to perform 4 days of community service does not constitute a sentence is bizarre. Is it because you find it relatively trivial? If the judge instead ordered Atkins to spend two nights in the county jail, would you insist that that&#8217;s not a sentence?</p>
<p>In any event, the terminology is an irrelevant &#8220;issue&#8221; that you&#8217;re obsessing on to distract from what was the point of the thread: I stated that it&#8217;s misleading to write that Atkins &#8220;has been cleared&#8221;&#8211;suggesting that he was wrongly accused&#8211;when in actuality, he chose to cop a plea.</p>
<p>As the self-appointed protector of every person, institution and domestic animal that&#8217;s part of the Nashville &#8220;industry&#8221; against every outsider, it really galls you that I pointed that out. So you keep repeating that I&#8217;m stupid&#8211;even though I&#8217;ve made it quite clear that your digs and insults don&#8217;t bother me in the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you knew more than I do about the judicial process - or at least about this particular case - you&#039;d surely have shown it by now, instead of compounding your mistakes.  At the very least, you&#039;d have demonstrated that you understand what a sentence is.  

However, I do want to thank you for the comedy afforded by reading a claim of expertise from someone too cowardly to put his or her name to a post.  &quot;Hey, I&#039;m a lawyer, you should take my pseudonymous word for it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you knew more than I do about the judicial process &#8211; or at least about this particular case &#8211; you&#8217;d surely have shown it by now, instead of compounding your mistakes.  At the very least, you&#8217;d have demonstrated that you understand what a sentence is.  </p>
<p>However, I do want to thank you for the comedy afforded by reading a claim of expertise from someone too cowardly to put his or her name to a post.  &#8220;Hey, I&#8217;m a lawyer, you should take my pseudonymous word for it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: luckyoldsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>luckyoldsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would ask you to admit that you stepped out of your area of expertise--music--into an area where I actually know more than you do.

But I won&#039;t, because you&#039;ve never been mistaken about anything since Merv Griffin challenged Johnny Carson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would ask you to admit that you stepped out of your area of expertise&#8211;music&#8211;into an area where I actually know more than you do.</p>
<p>But I won&#8217;t, because you&#8217;ve never been mistaken about anything since Merv Griffin challenged Johnny Carson.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just admit that you don&#039;t understand words like &quot;expunged,&quot; &quot;sentence,&quot; and &quot;nope?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just admit that you don&#8217;t understand words like &#8220;expunged,&#8221; &#8220;sentence,&#8221; and &#8220;nope?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: luckyoldsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>luckyoldsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen, I was just narrowing you down, because you&#039;re apt do deny saying what you sure seem to have said.

So you believe that when a judge orders you to show up somewhere for 4 days to clean rest areas or rake leaves or scrub trays or whatever--that you have not been sentenced. 

And you believe that after the judge signs off on that sentence--um, Order,--the way it should be reported in the media is that you &quot;were cleared of the charges against&quot; you.

And you&#039;re a journalist, not a cheerleader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen, I was just narrowing you down, because you&#8217;re apt do deny saying what you sure seem to have said.</p>
<p>So you believe that when a judge orders you to show up somewhere for 4 days to clean rest areas or rake leaves or scrub trays or whatever&#8211;that you have not been sentenced. </p>
<p>And you believe that after the judge signs off on that sentence&#8211;um, Order,&#8211;the way it should be reported in the media is that you &#8220;were cleared of the charges against&#8221; you.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re a journalist, not a cheerleader.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>luckyoldsun: &quot;ORDERED. That’s a sentence.&quot;

Me: &quot;Uh, nope.&quot;

luckyoldsun: &quot;Are you disputing that Mr. Atkins was sentenced to do 30 hours of community service?&quot;

Me: *facepalm*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>luckyoldsun: &#8220;ORDERED. That’s a sentence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;Uh, nope.&#8221;</p>
<p>luckyoldsun: &#8220;Are you disputing that Mr. Atkins was sentenced to do 30 hours of community service?&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: *facepalm*</p>
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		<title>By: luckyoldsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>luckyoldsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, enough talking about yourself.

Are you disputing that Mr. Atkins was sentenced to do 30 hours of community service? If so, why don&#039;t you say it. And if not, then what, if anything, is the purpose behind your commenting here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, enough talking about yourself.</p>
<p>Are you disputing that Mr. Atkins was sentenced to do 30 hours of community service? If so, why don&#8217;t you say it. And if not, then what, if anything, is the purpose behind your commenting here?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ORDERED. That’s a sentence.&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, nope.

One doesn&#039;t really need to be familiar with the niceties here, but on the other hand, if one is going to go out of one&#039;s way to make crabby, caviling comments, it&#039;s probably good to have some idea of what one is talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>ORDERED. That’s a sentence.</i></p>
<p>Uh, nope.</p>
<p>One doesn&#8217;t really need to be familiar with the niceties here, but on the other hand, if one is going to go out of one&#8217;s way to make crabby, caviling comments, it&#8217;s probably good to have some idea of what one is talking about.</p>
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