43rd CMA Awards Nominees Announced

Staff | September 9th, 2009

Below are the nominees for the 43rd CMA Awards which will be broadcast live from the Sommet Center in Nashville November 11 on ABC. There’s not a lot of turnover in the artist selections from last year, but let us know what you think of this year’s selections in the comments.

Entertainer of the Year

Kenny Chesney
Brad Paisley
George Strait
Taylor Swift
Keith Urban

Male Vocalist of the Year

Kenny Chesney
Brad Paisley
Darius Rucker
George Strait
Keith Urban

Female Vocalist of the Year

Miranda Lambert
Martina McBride
Reba McEntire
Taylor Swift
Carrie Underwood

Vocal Group of the Year

Eagles
Lady Antebellum
Little Big Town
Rascal Flatts
Zac Brown Band

Vocal Duo of the Year

Big & Rich
Brooks & Dunn
Joey + Rory
Montgomery Gentry
Sugarland

New Artist of the Year

Randy Houser
Jamey Johnson
Jake Owen
Darius Rucker
Zac Brown Band

Musician of the Year

Eddie Bayers – Drums
Paul Franklin – Steel Guitar
Dann Huff – Guitar
Brent Mason – Guitar
Mac McAnally – Guitar

Album of the Year

(Award goes to Artist and Producer)

American Saturday Night, Brad Paisley
Produced by Frank Rogers and Chris DuBois

Defying Gravity, Keith Urban
Produced by Dann Huff and Keith Urban

Fearless, Taylor Swift
Produced by Nathan Chapman and Taylor Swift

Love On The Inside, Sugarland
Produced by Byron Gallimore, Kristian Bush, and Jennifer Nettles

That Lonesome Song, Jamey Johnson
Produced by The Kent Hardly Playboys

Single of the Year

(Award goes to Artist and Producer)

Chicken Fried” – Zac Brown Band
Produced by Keith Stegall

I Run To You” – Lady Antebellum
Produced by Victoria Shaw and Paul Worley

In Color” – Jamey Johnson
Produced by The Kent Hardly Playboys

People Are Crazy” – Billy Currington
Produced by Carson Chamberlain and Billy Currington

Then” – Brad Paisley
Produced by Frank Rogers and Chris DuBois

Song of the Year

(Award goes to Songwriter(s))

Chicken Fried
Zac Brown/Wyatt Durrette

I Told You So
Randy Travis

In Color
Jamey Johnson/Lee Thomas Miller/James Otto

People Are Crazy
Bobby Braddock/Troy Jones

Then
Brad Paisley/Chris DuBois/Ashley Gorley

Musical Event of the Year

(Award goes to Artists)

“Cowgirls Don’t Cry” – Brooks & Dunn featuring Reba McEntire
“Down The Road” – Kenny Chesney (with Mac McAnally)
“Everything But Quits” – Lee Ann Womack (duet with George Strait)
“I Told You So” – Carrie Underwood featuring Randy Travis
“Old Enough” – The Raconteurs featuring Ricky Skaggs and Ashley Monroe
“Start a Band” – Brad Paisley featuring Keith Urban (originally omitted by CMA, thanks to Jon for the update)

Music Video of the Year

(Award goes to Artist and Director)

Boots On” – Randy Houser
Directed by Eric Welch

Love Story” – Taylor Swift
Directed by Trey Fanjoy

People Are Crazy” – Billy Currington
Directed by The Brads

Start A Band” – Brad Paisley (duet with Keith Urban)
Directed by Jim Shea

Troubadour” – George Strait
Directed by Trey Fanjoy

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  1. Jim Malec
    September 9, 2009 at 10:48 am

    the Eagles? Seriously?

  2. frozenphan
    September 9, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Wouldn’t it be great if the best-written song of the year award (Song of the Year) goes to a song written over twenty years ago.

  3. Kelly
    September 9, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Big & Rich – how long has it been since they were actually a duo?

    Ditto – The Eagles??

  4. Noeller
    September 9, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Interesting list, for sure – some random thoughts from North of the 49th Parallel:

    -At least 3 nominees in the “…Vocalist Of The Year” categories can’t really sing and need a ton of help from the producer with Pro Tools’ Auto-Tune. What does this say about the state of “Vocalists” in Nashville? If you ask me, this is a strong case for allowing the lead singer of a band (hello, Ronnie Dunn) to be eligible for this award.

    -Great to see Jamey Johnson up for a couple. Would love to see “That Lonesome Song” pick up album of the year.

    -The Raconteurs?? ….Really?? Interesting pick.

    -I would give ANYTHING…….ANYTHING……to see Rascal Flatts lose their Group Of The Year award to ZBB or Lady A but I think they’re still a ways off yet.

  5. Juli
    September 9, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Good to see Jamey Johnson, “Everything but Quits” and the Raconteurs/Skaggs/Monroe collaboration get nominated, but I’m pretty indifferent about the majority of the rest.

  6. JoJo
    September 9, 2009 at 11:01 am

    I’m really surprised “Sissy’s Song” is not nominated for song

  7. Andrew
    September 9, 2009 at 11:03 am

    I’m willing to forgive the Eagles nomination as long as Jamey Johnson wins at least one award (preferably more).

  8. Helen
    September 9, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Rascal Flatts & The Eagles are nominated in the same category! Someone somewhere is rolling over in their grave or Hell is ACTUALLY freezing over as I type! Re-gosh dang-diculous

  9. Michael
    September 9, 2009 at 11:12 am

    I am surprised to see Darius Rucker jump into the male vocalist category so quickly (actually, maybe not. He’s had 3 #1′s) and Taylor Swift up for Entertainer of the Year. And two of my least favorite songs from the last year are nominated too (“I Run To You” and “Chicken Fried”). Well, at least “It’s America” and “She’s Country” missed the final cut.

  10. merlefan49
    September 9, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Yawn I won’t be watching of course I haven’t in years.

  11. pinky
    September 9, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I agree..I would love to see Randy Travis “I told you so” win song of the year…escpeccially since it was wrote 15 years ago. And….at least Carrie Underwood isn’t in the Entertainer of the Year catagory by MISTAKE again!! LOL!!!!

  12. Noeller
    September 9, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Actually, this list makes me excited for the (hopefully??!!) live-blog commenting during the show by our esteemed 9513 Columnists. Your snarky answers sustain me! ;)

  13. Stormy Lewis
    September 9, 2009 at 11:29 am

    I would be okay with The Eagles, except, did they even sing this year? At all?

  14. Sam G.
    September 9, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Ooh, Taylor Swift gets an Entertainer nod and Carrie Underwood doesn’t. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth on Internet forums today.

    If there’s any justice in the country world, Jamey Johnson cleans up the awards, Zac Brown Band and The Raconteurs collaboration win some awards, and a piece of scenery clobbers Gary LeVox in the face a la Bret Michaels at the Tony Awards.

  15. Heather
    September 9, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    I’m appalled that Taylor Swift is nominated for Entertainer of the year. Keith Urban has earned that title over and over again and it keeps going to Kenny. As someone who has seen them all in concert at least once, I feel I can at least judge that.

    I don’t think Darius Rucker should even be nominated let alone for best NEW artist AND Male Vocalist, that’s rediculous.

    I’m glad to see Ran keeps getting nominated, even though with Carrie Underwood in the mix she’ll never win it. I’d be okay with Reba winning it over her (much more then ok) but not Carrie.

    I wanted to see more Sugarland, Jason Aldean, Dierks Bentley, and Lady noms. I’m tired of the same old people winnin.

    And I’m sorry but Jamey Johnson’s song “Seen it in color” is aweful. I am SO tired of hearing it on the radio!
    Don’t even get me started on the ZBB or the Eagels.

  16. Noeller
    September 9, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Sam G. – I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.

    Heather – Until you can spell R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S properly, we don’t have to take any of your posts seriously. Also, referring to Miranda Lambert by some self-imposed nickname does NOT get you extra bonus OMG!!!!! points on a forum like this.

    I’m tired of people saying they want change, just for the sake of change “I’m tired of the same people winning”. I, too, would like change in certain categories because I know that the voters are wrong, but change for the sake of change isn’t the right thing to do.

  17. Razor X
    September 9, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    I’m surprised that Carrie didn’t get an Entertainer of the Year nod. If Taylor wins, then the CMA Awards will be exposed, for once and for all, as the laughing stock they have been for the last several years.

  18. Brady Vercher
    September 9, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Replacing Sugarland with Taylor Swift in the Entertainer category is interesting. Either the industry has been listening to the ridiculous things Nettles and company say in interviews and don’t like their idea of the future of country music, or they’re only willing to allot a single slot to a female in that category (which seems to be a similar–if not better–ratio to the number of women that actually have any success at radio).

    With the amount of hype they’ve received, two noms for Sugarland almost seems like a snub…at least Kristian Bush didn’t receive a Musician nod.

  19. Razor X
    September 9, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    I kind of expected Taylor to get nominated in the Entertainer category, thinking that the CMA would want to recognize her in some way, and because they couldn’t possibly nominate her in the Female Vocalist category. But they did nominate her for Female Vocalist. What a travesty.

  20. Blake Boldt
    September 9, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    The quality decline in mainstream country is best illustrated in the Single/Song categories. “In Color” wins, no contest.

    A couple perplexing picks (Eagles, the absence of “Start a Band” in Vocal Event), but the list is OK considering what was offered this year. I agree with Razor that Carrie’s absence is interesting. Given that the CMA regards her well enough to tab her for co-hosting duties two years running, it’s odd that they don’t consider her worthy of their top prize. Strait’s great, but I would’ve switched them. Ditto Sugarland for Urban. Taylor’s inclusion makes Carrie’s omission that much more glaring.

    I would’ve loved to see Womack in the Female race; McBride’s been a token nominee for years now and McEntire wasn’t that prolific during the eligibility period.

  21. Gavin
    September 9, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    I’d like to Randy Travis win for song. Now that would be cool.

    Carrie Underwood’s lack of nominations (ETOY specifically) isn’t surprising since she’s been on the sidelines for about six months. I fear her vocalist streak may come to an end as well.

  22. Michael
    September 9, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Oh! I thouht Ran was short for Randy Travis! Anyway, yes, I would have been so much happier if I had seen Lee Ann Womack’s name (or, God forbid, Patty Loveless) instead of Martina McBride’s. “Last Call” was a killer single. What is the Jennifer Nettles/Sugarland controversy? The whole B52s/gay icon thing?

  23. Leeann Ward
    September 9, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Wow, Noeller!

    People make spelling mistakes and that does not disqualify them from having their comments taken seriously.

    The Lambert fanclub is called Ran Fans aren’t they? Therefore, what’s wrong with a Lambert fan using “Ran” if she wants to?

    Pretty snippy for a random unsuspecting commenter…unless I’m missing a history with Heather around here or something.

  24. Joe
    September 9, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Because she may never be a superb (or notable) vocalist, it may be preferred that Taylor Swift win Entertainer. As a marketer, she is brilliant. Have you seen this video post of her watching the nominations as they’re announced?

    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=62972112

    This is fan engagement at it’s absolute best. I don’t consider myself a fan, but none of us can deny that innovative techniques like this are what the country stars we actually LIKE should be doing.

    The connectivity granted by the Internet means the curtain can be pulled back, if not torn down, and — whether you like her or not — Taylor Swift understands that.

    That is an entertainer.

  25. Noeller
    September 9, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    LeeAnn – snippiness is what makes the internet fun. Mocking others who make themselves look intellectually inferior is the basis for this entire site!!

    :)

  26. Tom
    September 9, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    darius rucker as new artist of the year is like nominating brett favre as nfl rookie of the year if he plays a good season with the vikings.

  27. Tom
    September 9, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    i think i’ll drown myself upon my next spelling mistake.

  28. J.R. Journey
    September 9, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    I’m a little surprised that Sugarland isn’t in the Entertainer category too – but Brady’s explanation makes a lot of sense. The rest of the nominees are pretty much what I expected.

  29. Leeann Ward
    September 9, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    I actually don’t think that’s the basis for this site…or at least not what it’s intended to be. I have a lot more respect for The9513 than that.

    You said: “Heather – Until you can spell R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S properly, we don’t have to take any of your posts seriously. Also, referring to Miranda Lambert by some self-imposed nickname does NOT get you extra bonus OMG!!!!! points on a forum like this.”

    Your comment just seemed mean spirited rather than playfully snarky…like she’s being laughed off of a playground or an exclusive group, neither of which The9513 is.

  30. Tom
    September 9, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    …not exclusive – damned!

  31. Noelle
    September 9, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    …and I maintain my right to mock the little fan-girls who scream “TaLYor RoXXX – w00t!!” or any form thereof.

    I respect a Miranda Lambert fan, tho.

  32. Danny
    September 9, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    I’m thrilled that Darius is nominated for male vocalist.

    I love the Eagles, but really? They weren’t a factor this year, less than say, Diamond Rio, who deserves that slot. I hope Lady Antebellum takes that award.

    Taylor also deserves the Entertainer nod but I do hope that Keith finally wins it this year.

    I agree that Martina is just a space filler and has been for a few years, Patty Loveless or LeAnn Rimes could have filled that slot nicely.

    Vocal event goes to Carrie and Travis, I hope.

    Jamey Johnson is the best thing about country music these days, if he wins everything, I’m perfectly happy. But he must win Best New Artist.

  33. Nicolas
    September 9, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    I pray that Miranda Lambert wins Female Vocalist this time around. =) I keep hoping for the day that comes.

    And Taylor Swift being nominated for Entertainer isn’t too surprising, she just went on her huge Fearless tour this year. Although, I’d rather see Sugarland in her place, of course.

  34. Nicolas
    September 9, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    I don’t think Martina McBride is really filler in this case, because this year she’s had a #1 album, and a Top 20 hit, and another single that’s at around #28 and rising.

  35. Erik
    September 9, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    I pray that the Female Vocalist trophy goes to Taylor, and not Carrie. Preferably Reba or Miranda, but not Carrie. She isn’t worthy of tying with Reba and Martina for most wins.

  36. TexasVet
    September 9, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Erik,

    I pray that the Female Vocalist trophy goes to anyone BUT Taylor.

    Songwriter – Yes
    Entertainer – Yes
    Vocalist – Hell Know

  37. TexasVet
    September 9, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Vocalist – Hell NO! not know…lol!

  38. Erik
    September 9, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    The only real competition for Carrie is Taylor, and I’d rather see her take it home than Carrie taking it home a fourth time.

  39. Matt B.
    September 9, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    I think the categories are all what we should’ve expected from them. The CMA isn’t gonna put JTE in Male Vocalist and other categories. Also, Darius Rucker as Male Vocalist makes sense and he WAS a new artist to country so I can see why he’s there. That award is likely to go to him or Jamey Johnson.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Darius walked away with the Male Vocalist award too.

    As for the Eagles, that’s just crazy because The Lost Trailers and Eli Young Band both had Top 10 hits during the eligibility period.

    Big & Rich have toured during the eligibility period so perhaps that’s why they got the duo nom.

  40. Rick
    September 9, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Its nice to see the token nods to Jamey Johnson and Joey + Rory on the nominee list, but they haven’t had near the commercial success needed to to score a CMA award. As for the rest of the artists and who actually wins these awards, I couldn’t care less….

  41. Noelle
    September 9, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    The biggest question is regarding the wording of the awards. Male VOCALIST. Female VOCALIST.

    Come on folks, I know some of you like them, but nobody here with any kind of musical knowledge can say with a straight face that Taylor Swift, Brad Paisley and Kenny Chesney can actually sing well. Certainly not in the Top 5 in Nashville right now.

    Kenny is “supposedly” an entertainer, but doesn’t do much else and certainly can’t sing.

    Brad has been notorious for his use of AutoTune for a long time now. GREAT guitar player – maybe the best in music today – but not a singer.

    Taylor is a decent writer, for a 19 year old, and knows how to entertain the ‘Tween set, but sing?? No, sir. Painful, to some degree.

    I really believe we’re losing focus on what the point of the Category is. V-O-C-A-L-I-S-T.

  42. Leeann Ward
    September 9, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Seriously, Eric? You dislike Carrie so much that you’d like to see Taylor Swift get female vocalist? It’s one thing for her to get a songwriting award or even entertainer, but vocalist??Since I know you’re not a Swift fan, I can only think your vote for her female win is only out of spite toward some unknown dislike for Carrie (since you’re obviously not adverse to pop country in the least).

  43. Stephen
    September 9, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    I agree. Taylor is a talented songwriter, she’s hot (sorry, I needed to throw that in there), and she seems entertaining enough, but a vocalist she is not.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sg2DAHGHlw

    I saw that and couldn’t help but laugh.

  44. Jon
    September 9, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    “Given that the CMA regards her well enough to tab her for co-hosting duties two years running, it’s odd that they don’t consider her worthy of their top prize.”

    It’s only odd if you ignore where and how decisions are made. Nominees: the top 5 vote-getters in balloting among CMA members. Awards show host(s): chosen by the awards show producers in consultation with CMA staff and possibly elected leadership.

    Me, I’m a huge fan of the “if x doesn’t win, it’s a travesty”/”if x does win, it’s a travesty” mode of discourse. Let’s have more of it!

  45. TexasVet
    September 9, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    “Since I know you’re not a Swift fan, I can only think your vote for her female win is only out of spite toward some unknown dislike for Carrie (since you’re obviously not adverse to pop country in the least).”

    Eric aka Rainbow has said in previous discussions that Carrie shrieks and hurts his ears. (lol!)

  46. Jim Malec
    September 9, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Joey + Rory has exactly zero chance of winning. It’s about bloc voting, and it ain’t gonna happen for a Sugar Hill act.

  47. Noelle
    September 9, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Good call Jim – the effect of one music label ganging up should NOT be over-looked.

  48. Vicki
    September 9, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Here are my votes:
    Entertainer: Keith Urban;
    Male Vocalist: Darius Rucker or Keith (but Brad will win)
    Female Vocalist: Carrie (but I’d be ok if Miranda got it)
    Duo: Sighhh..I wouldn’t mind Montgomery Gentry..just love their songs. But it’s Sugarland.
    Vocal Group: Lady A
    New Artist: Jamey Johnson
    Album: Love Lonesome Song..but it will be Fearless
    Single: In Color or I Told You So
    Song: People Are Crazy
    Musical Event: I Told You So
    Video: Start a Band (unless they want to give another to Taylor)

  49. Rick
    September 9, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Vicki, here are my votes:

    Vocal Duo of the Year: Joey + Rory
    New Artist of the Year: Jamey Johnson
    Album of the Year: That Lonesome Song
    Single of the Year: In Color
    All the other categories: None Of The Above! (lol)

    I don’t expect any of my choices to win as my musical tastes are opposite those of the CMA types. I would love to be surprised though.

  50. Noelle
    September 9, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    I have never even HEARD of this Joey and Rory up here in Canada. I can’t see them being successful enough yet to pick up a CMA.

  51. Jon
    September 9, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    “Joey + Rory has exactly zero chance of winning. It’s about bloc voting, and it ain’t gonna happen for a Sugar Hill act.”

    I don’t want to understate the effect that significant CMA membership at the various labels might have on the voting, but at the same time, it can be overstated. In a 5 candidate field, a nominee can win with as little as 20% of the vote plus 1 more – a number which I believe exceeds by a substantial amount the total number of CMA voting members employed by any one label or label group – which explains why dark horse candidates sometimes win despite conventional wisdom. If it was simply about bloc voting, Joey + Rory probably wouldn’t have gotten nominated in the first place.

  52. Dan Milliken
    September 9, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    “If it was simply about bloc voting, Joey + Rory probably wouldn’t have gotten nominated in the first place.”

    Joey + Rory were pretty much the only conceivable fourth option for duo after Sugarland, Brooks & Dunn and Montgomery Gentry. The fact that they had to round out the category with Big & Rich, who have been completely defunct this year, underlines this point.

  53. JoJo
    September 9, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Carrie for Female Vocalist and Montgomery Gentry for Duo!! That would be awesome!!

  54. Jon
    September 9, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    “’If it was simply about bloc voting, Joey + Rory probably wouldn’t have gotten nominated in the first place.’

    Joey + Rory were pretty much the only conceivable fourth option for duo after Sugarland, Brooks & Dunn and Montgomery Gentry. The fact that they had to round out the category with Big & Rich, who have been completely defunct this year, underlines this point.”

    Fast Ryde (Universal label group); Caitlin & Will (Sony); BOMSHEL (Curb) are same names that spring to mind that don’t.

  55. Dan Milliken
    September 9, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Fast Ryde’s single wasn’t released in the eligibility period. Caitlin & Will’s debut single peaked at #42 in June and they haven’t had a follow-up; clearly, their label isn’t gunning them for awards consideration yet. Bomshel had a #30 single this year but no album release, which Joey + Rory at least had (and have done well with, too). I would hardly call any of those three viable contenders for Duo of the Year.

  56. Anaf
    September 9, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Oh god! LOL well I hope my carrie wins again! =) totally deserves it! If it wasn’t for her I would of never started listening to country! =p hope my keith and lady antebellum get something! And zZb =) love them!

  57. Jon
    September 9, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Dan, if I recall correctly, having a record released during the eligibility period isn’t a specific requirement for an artist (as opposed to recording) award. I agree with you that they’d be poor candidates, but that’s not really the point, which is about bloc voting. The three acts I named are all on bigger, more CMA-wired labels than Sugar Hill, especially the first two, and that didn’t help them get nominated over Joey + Rory.

  58. Matt B.
    September 9, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Caitlin & Will or Bomshel certainly should’ve been voted in over B&R given that they had ‘higher profiles’ during the eligibility period but B&R have constantly toured.

  59. Steve Harvey
    September 9, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    -The Raconteurs?? ….Really?? Interesting pick.
    It’s probably the most country recording in that category.

    I am surprised to see Darius Rucker jump into the male vocalist category so quickly
    It’s a trifle surprising, although no undeserved. While the songs on his record are mediocre, the vocals are stellar throughout.

    Most of those new artist nominees are about 10 years or more into their careers!

    It’s about damn time for Urban to take home that EOTY trophy – he’s one of the greatest live acts I’ve ever seen. How has Kenny freaking Chesney been beating him?

    And fingers crossed for Jamey Johnson for Album. But we all know that ain’t happening.

  60. Blake Boldt
    September 9, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    @Jon: I’m aware that the voting membership and CMA Awards show committee are two different entities, but I still find it strange that Carrie is absent from the Entertainer list. The main reason she’s tabbed—by producers/CMA staff/etc.—for hosting duties is that she’s a strong ambassador for the industry, and that is a part of the Entertainer criteria that CMA voters, who have obviously supported her in top categories so far, are asked to consider. It’s a simple curiosity that she was left off the list when she fits the criteria well in this particular year. No more, no less.

  61. donna Nickles
    September 9, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Taylor Swift? Come on, anyone over 16 knows she has no talent

  62. donna Nickles
    September 9, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Carrie should win entertainer no doubt about it, love Lady Antebellum LOVE THEM!

  63. Razor X
    September 9, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Taylor Swift? Come on, anyone over 16 knows she has no talent

    Except, apparently, members of the CMA.

  64. Dan Milliken
    September 9, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Jon,

    The point I’m making is that Joey + Rory’s nomination is poor evidence against the prevalence of bloc voting, because there simply weren’t legitimate contenders on the bigger labels this year – and without legitimate contenders, the labels had no one to bloc-vote for. If they had, and J+R had still made it in, then we could talk.

  65. kevin w
    September 9, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    “Taylor Swift? Come on, anyone over 16 knows she has no talent”

    “Except, apparently, members of the CMA.”

    Granted, maybe not the best singer, but i do think she is a decent songwriter. Besides, in terms of sales, who really comes close to her? She probably should win Entertainer of The year, to be honest.

  66. Razor X
    September 9, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Besides, in terms of sales, who really comes close to her?

    This brings us back to the equating popularity with quality debate. I don’t care how many CDs she’s sold; I don’t think she belongs there with the rest of the nominees.

  67. Nicolas
    September 9, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    The fact that Taylor Swift has had great CD sales, shows that she has a huge fanbase. Clearly there’s several million people who think she is a good singer, or she wouldn’t sell any albums. If the CMAs didn’t at least include her, it wouldn’t be well-received with her fans.

  68. Jon
    September 9, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    “The point I’m making is that Joey + Rory’s nomination is poor evidence against the prevalence of bloc voting, because there simply weren’t legitimate contenders on the bigger labels this year – and without legitimate contenders, the labels had no one to bloc-vote for. If they had, and J+R had still made it in, then we could talk.”

    Well, now, “legitimate” is evidently in the eye of the beholder, judging by the discussion of various nominees thus far ;-). I simply wanted to make the point that the weight of bloc voting can be overstated, and if, as was suggested, Joey + Rory have “zero chance” to win because bloc voting carries so much weight, the odds of their getting nominated when those same blocs had candidates meeting the criteria (whether you or I consider them strong is another matter) would presumably not be much better – and yet they were nominated. I agree their odds of winning are slim (I’d say the biggest factor this year will most likely be a “job well done, farewell” vote for Brooks & Dunn), but I wouldn’t say they’re zero, and I wouldn’t attribute the low odds to the importance of bloc voting.

    Blake, like you I’m surprised that Underwood didn’t get nominated for the Entertainer award, even though her level of activity, as far as I can tell, was somewhat lower than last year’s. My guess is that the voting was probably pretty close, and that she didn’t miss it by much – but of course, that’s just a guess. Apparently not enough voters agreed with the producers et.al. ;-)

  69. Nicolas
    September 9, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    I think Miranda Lambert would make a good entertainer of the year =)

  70. Countrygal
    September 9, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Here are my picks:
    Entertainer of the year: Goerge Strait or Brad Paisley

    Male Vocalist:Darius Rucker

    Female Vocalist: Carrie or Martina

    New Artist: Darius or Zac Brown

    Single:Chicken Fried or In Color

    Song: I Told You So

  71. Stormy
    September 9, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Steve Harvey
    September 9, 2009 at 7:37 pm Permalink -The Raconteurs?? ….Really?? Interesting pick.
    It’s probably the most country recording in that category.

    Or any category…..

  72. Razor X
    September 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    The fact that Taylor Swift has had great CD sales, shows that she has a huge fanbase. Clearly there’s several million people who think she is a good singer, or she wouldn’t sell any albums. If the CMAs didn’t at least include her, it wouldn’t be well-received with her fans.

    So???

  73. Vicki
    September 9, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Do you think the fact that Carrie took so much time off to do her next album cost her ETOY? She did do radio, and special performances besides the Opry but she didn’t do a complete spring/summer tour.

    Also, could this be backlash because she didn’t do the CMA Music Festival Coliseum performance?(She did do about everything else but that). I even had a friend at work whose daughter stayed up last week waiting for Carrie to perform on the ABC recap of those nightly performances. I had to tell her no, Carrie didn’t perform there. Even her fans were a little shocked that she didn’t do it, although she did skip it to celebrate her Mom’s 60th birthday.

  74. Steve Harvey
    September 9, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Or any category…..
    True…

    Damnit.

  75. kevin w
    September 9, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    “This brings us back to the equating popularity with quality debate. I don’t care how many CDs she’s sold; I don’t think she belongs there with the rest of the nominees.”

    Ok we all know you hate her. Fine. But Entertainer Of The Year is usually given to artist who have had the greatest music sales and concert ticket sales.
    On that Taylor probably should win, doesn’t matter
    what you or other critics might think.

  76. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 1:26 am

    “I pray that the Female Vocalist trophy goes to Taylor, and not Carrie. Preferably Reba or Miranda, but not Carrie. She isn’t worthy of tying with Reba and Martina for most wins.”

    Erik, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe you clearly state your motive for wanting Taylor to win over Carrie. Nothing to do with hatred for Carrie, but you just don’t think she has achieved the right to tie with Reba and Martina for 4 FVOTY awards, And I agree…Taylor winning once would not be as absurd as Carrie winning 4 times in just a few years. If Carrie wins again, it would just be one more example of her acclaim outrunning her artistry, and it would NOT be an indication that Carrie has achieved as much in real terms for Country music as Reba or Martina. Sadly, some would read it that way however.

    And I think this whole “Taylor can’t sing” thing is a bit of hyperbole, intentional or not. It’s not just the singer, sometimes it’s the songs that carry the day. And that’s what Taylor has going for her. Not my cup of tea, and not really Country, but neither is Carrie…so why not?!

    Personally, I’m pulling for Miranda.

  77. Zayn Jones
    September 10, 2009 at 1:50 am

    The Eagles??? Really? Ridiculous. I’d rather see Rascal Flatts win!!!

    Keith Urban should win them all! Absolutely, Entertainer of the Year!!!

  78. Erik
    September 10, 2009 at 5:52 am

    That’s exactly what I meant, Steve. If I could compose the Female Vocalist category for 09 freely, it’d be:

    Reba McEntire
    Martina McBride
    Patty Loveless
    Wynonna
    Dolly Parton

  79. Razor X
    September 10, 2009 at 7:02 am

    Ok we all know you hate her. Fine. But Entertainer Of The Year is usually given to artist who have had the greatest music sales and concert ticket sales.

    There is no point in even voting, then, if the person with the greatest CD and ticket sales is the winner. There are other factors to consider.

  80. Kevan
    September 10, 2009 at 7:49 am

    From January 30, 2008 to December 13, 2008, Carrie Underwood made 134 concert appearences;
    including her induction into the Grand Ole Opry.

    She is nominated for her fourth Female Vocalist of the Year Award, but she has never been nominated for Entertainer of the Year.

    Martina McBride has been Female Vocalist of the Year four times, but she has never been nominated for Entertainer of the Year.

    But Kenny Chesney, Brad Paisley and Keith Urban are nominated every year.

    The CMA is a disgrace.

  81. Mando
    September 10, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Hoping for a suprise win by Miranda Lambert.

  82. kevin w
    September 10, 2009 at 9:35 am

    “There is no point in even voting, then, if the person with the greatest CD and ticket sales is the winner. There are other factors to consider.”

    That’s been mostly the history of Entertainer Of The Year though. It’s whoever had the biggest year in Country Music.

  83. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 9:58 am

    My choices

    Entertainer of the Year

    Brad Paisley

    Male Vocalist of the Year

    Brad Paisley (yes, he can sing..)

    Female Vocalist of the Year

    Miranda Lambert

    Vocal Group of the Year

    Little Big Town

    Vocal Duo of the Year

    Joey + Rory

    New Artist of the Year

    Jamey Johnson

    Album of the Year
    (Award goes to Artist and Producer)

    American Saturday Night, Brad Paisley
    Produced by Frank Rogers and Chris DuBois

    Defying Gravity, Keith Urban
    Produced by Dann Huff and Keith Urban

    Fearless, Taylor Swift
    Produced by Nathan Chapman and Taylor Swift

    Love On The Inside, Sugarland
    Produced by Byron Gallimore, Kristian Bush, and Jennifer Nettles

    That Lonesome Song, Jamey Johnson
    Produced by The Kent Hardly Playboys

    Single of the Year
    (Award goes to Artist and Producer)

    “Chicken Fried” – Zac Brown Band
    Produced by Keith Stegall

    “I Run To You” – Lady Antebellum
    Produced by Victoria Shaw and Paul Worley

    “In Color” – Jamey Johnson
    Produced by The Kent Hardly Playboys

    “People Are Crazy” – Billy Currington
    Produced by Carson Chamberlain and Billy Currington

    “Then” – Brad Paisley
    Produced by Frank Rogers and Chris DuBois

    Song of the Year

    “In Color”
    Jamey Johnson/Lee Thomas Miller/James Otto

    Music Video of the Year

    “Start A Band” – Brad Paisley (duet with Keith Urban)
    Directed by Jim Shea

  84. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 10:01 am

    OK, I was using the “cut and paste and then erase” method, and obviously messed up with the whitlin’ down on the album of the year category, I was trying to choose Jamey Johnson’t That Lonesome Song as best album.

  85. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 10:09 am

    “That’s exactly what I meant, Steve. If I could compose the Female Vocalist category for 09 freely, it’d be:

    Reba McEntire
    Martina McBride
    Patty Loveless
    Wynonna
    Dolly Parton”

    Mine would be, in order of preference:

    Patty Loveless
    Sara Evans (for being robbed in the past)
    Miranda Lambert
    Martina McBride
    Reba McEntire

  86. Erik
    September 10, 2009 at 10:35 am

    If Sara had released anything, I’d nominate her too.

  87. Gavin
    September 10, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Steve from Boston, Carrie winning a fourth FVOY award takes nothing away from Reba or Martina’s legacy and the fact that she has as many as Tammy and Loretta certainly hasn’t diminished their many achievements and current status as icons of the genre. It is an annual award not a career achievement award. Rascal Flats winning best vocal group year after year hasn’t catapulted them right up there with Alabama, The Statler Brothers, or the Oak Ridge Boys as one of the greatest groups of all time has it? You spitting on her artistic acumen and numerous achievements seems disproportionate to her so called negative effect she’s had on the genre as a whole which as far as I’m concerned is zero negative effect. How hard do you think women have to work in what I would call the most chauvinistic genre in the music business to get the appreciation and acknowledgment that the men seem to gain with ease? It takes double the effort for women to achieve the same status as the men and there is no argument that proves otherwise.

  88. stormy
    September 10, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    The good women don’t have this problem.

  89. Leeann Ward
    September 10, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    What are you talking about, Stormy? The good women don’t have this problem?

  90. Razor X
    September 10, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    How hard do you think women have to work in what I would call the most chauvinistic genre in the music business to get the appreciation and acknowledgment that the men seem to gain with ease? It takes double the effort for women to achieve the same status as the men and there is no argument that proves otherwise.

    What does the fact that women have a tougher time in the music business than men have to do with whether Carrie is worthy of a fourth Female Vocalist trophy?

  91. Razor X
    September 10, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    If Sara had released anything, I’d nominate her too.

    She did release something: two singles that each peaked at #59.

  92. stormy
    September 10, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    I am saying that singers like Neko Case and Kasey Chambers don’t have a hard time being taken seriously as artists.

  93. Jack
    September 10, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Carrie might be shut out of CMA awards this year. First, in the Female Vocalist catagory, I wonder if the CMA voters are ready to put her in the same elite category as Reba and Martina with 4 wins. They may instead decide to reward someone else this year and wait for Carrie to prove her longevity before giving her that 4th Vocalist award. In the Musical Event category, I think Carrie and Randy have a good chance to win, but the competition is stiff. Personally, I would vote for Carrie in both categories if I had a vote.

    I think Taylor has effectively taken over the country world. Her sales and star power are now nearing the SuperNova stage (she has completely saturated all entertainment media) and the country music industry wants to bask in her monetized glory. I read that the CMT awards show this year, where Taylor was the featured performer, saw a huge TV audience increase of around 25% or so. Guess who is going to get credit for that. The VMA’s coming up this weekend also are featuring her in their ads and in performances. I would not be surprised, therefore, if the CMA voters throw everything including the kitchen sink award at her in the hopes of converting her star power into dollar bills. Her dedicated and fervent fan base of tween and teen girls have a direct line into their parents pocketbooks, and that spells lots of money for the country music industry.

  94. Leeann Ward
    September 10, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I love how matter-of-fact your use of “good” is, Stormy.:)

  95. Jon
    September 10, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    And I love how Stormy reduces “achieving the same status as the men” to “being taken seriously as an artist”…by Stormy.

  96. Heather
    September 10, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Thank you Leeann for clearing up a few things for me! (And being on this random unsuspecting commenter’s side!) This was my first time commenting on The9513. I was just giving my opinion.

    Miranda fans are called RanFans, I have been a huge fan of hers since Nashville Star, I am not some little random fan girl. I respect both her and her music and would love to see her get her due. I was so thrilled when she won ACM Album of the Year in 2008 (a fantastic upset!).

    Lol and PLEASE forgive me for spelling ridiculous wrong. I was on a break and typing rather quickly.

    Wish we would have seen more of Jason Michael Carroll, Eli Young Band and Lost Trailers.

  97. stormy
    September 10, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Jon: Neko Case and Kasey Chambers have easily reached the same level of sucess and respect as their male peers.

  98. Jon
    September 10, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Breaking news from the CMA…

    “Subsequent to the CMA Awards nomination announcements on “Good Morning America,” CMT’s “Insider Special Edition: 2009 CMA Awards Nominations,” and Premiere Radio Networks, it was discovered that Brad Paisley and Keith Urban were inadvertently omitted from the list of final nominees for CMA Musical Event of the Year for “Start A Band.”

    The omission occurred when transferring information from the online ballot to the list of final nominees.

    “We take the integrity of the CMA Awards balloting very seriously,” said Tammy Genovese, CMA Chief Executive Officer. “And when an oversight like this occurs we commit ourselves to a thorough review, thoughtful and immediate correction, and complete disclosure and accountability to the artists and our industry.

    “I can assure CMA’s valued constituents that we have examined every detail of the ballot for other discrepancies and all other categories were correct as announced.”

    “Start A Band” will be added to the list of nominees for the final ballot and all previously announced nominees will remain on the list.

    “All of the nominees for Musical Event of the Year are deserving and in the interest of fairness will remain on the ballot for the final vote by our membership,” Genovese said.

    “We sincerely regret the omission of these two deserving artists from the list of nominees and apologize to Brad and Keith, and their representatives, for any confusion,” Genovese said.”

    etc., etc., etc.

  99. Jon
    September 10, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    “Jon: Neko Case and Kasey Chambers have easily reached the same level of sucess and respect as their male peers.”

    So why didn’t you say that in the first place? And unless you’re their bookkeeper, that has about as much objective content – and as much value – to it as the “good” part that Leeann loved.

  100. Stormy Lewis
    September 10, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I apologize. In the future I will be much more literal for your benefit.

    How much of a bookkeeper do you have to be to know that the 96,000 copies that Middle Cyclone sold its first week (and her appearance on at #3 on the charts was news) is equal to the 96,000 that Easy Tiger sold? This isn’t hard nor is it subjective math.

  101. nm
    September 10, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    “Neko Case and Kasey Chambers have easily reached the same level of sucess [sic] and respect as their male peers.”

    Now, there’s a tautology.

  102. Gavin
    September 10, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Razor X said: What does the fact that women have a tougher time in the music business than men have to do with whether Carrie is worthy of a fourth Female Vocalist trophy?

    Where are you getting that I said that? I’m basically saying that she had to work her ass off for whatever accomplishments she has achieved so far as all women do in this business.

  103. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Gavin, I don’t accept she was the best choice in ANY of the years she has won…no,

    And I escpecially think Sara was robbed the first time, (or was it the second time Carrie won?)..after many nominations, it was her time..then along comes the latest trendsetter, and she left the Academy saying “Sara who”? Sara’s offerings were far better that year, and she deserved to win. (do I have to preface or follow all my assertions with “in my opinion?”)

    You’re right though, a fourth Carrie win would not detract from Reba or Martina, but it would diminish the credibilty of the CMA institution, imo, and thus somewhat devalue the award. I still think Martina and Reba are far more deserving of four time honors than Carrie. And another Carrie win would put her on par with them in the minds of some, even though, admittedly it is not a lifetime or career achivement award.

    And regarding your rhetorical question, I think Razor makes a good poinit:

    “How hard do you think women have to work in what I would call the most chauvinistic genre in the music business to get the appreciation and acknowledgment that the men seem to gain with ease? It takes double the effort for women to achieve the same status as the men and there is no argument that proves otherwise.

    and Razor’s answer:

    What does the fact that women have a tougher time in the music business than men have to do with whether Carrie is worthy of a fourth Female Vocalist trophy?

    Yes…it’s not like Carrie would be losing out to a man if she doesn’t win FEMALE Vocalist of the Year…Gavin your agument could be applied to Taylor Swift as well, and if Miranda wins, (as I hope she does,) that does not set the women’s cause back in the least…All these ladies have worked very hard, not just Carrie.

    I’ve heard that argument before, as though Carrie is the last and only hope for women, and all attempts to interfere with her complete and utter domination of the industry are simply the result of misogynistic motivations and chauvinism. No, many of us simply want more worthy women for all the top honors.

    But on a somewhat related point, there does seem to be a double standard these days. The Nashville establishment and the buying public seem to want their female Country singers to be Pop-princesses, and seem quite reluctant to embrace and celebrate a female Country artist who is true to Tradition. This is not the case with the men, folks like Alan Jackson, George Strait and even Brad Paisley can be as Traditional as they want and still have overwhelming sucess. It’s been like that for at least these past ten years, and I just don’t get it. Does anyone have some insight on this situation?

  104. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    If Sara had released anything, I’d nominate her too.

    She did release something: two singles that each peaked at #59.

    I try not to think about those, Razor..;)…I hope for better things from and for Sara in the future.

  105. Razor X
    September 10, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Where are you getting that I said that? I’m basically saying that she had to work her ass off for whatever accomplishments she has achieved so far as all women do in this business.

    Exactly … they all had to work that hard. So why does that make her more worthy of the Female Vocalist award than the others?

  106. Vance
    September 10, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    The Swift-tards will cry when Swift goes home with 0 awards.

  107. JoJo
    September 10, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    I say Carrie wins female vocalist this year, ties record for most consecutive wins with 4 and breaks record with 5 next year!!
    What about Montgomery Gentry for duo?? They deserve it!!

  108. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    I’m pulling for Joey plus Rory

  109. Gavin
    September 10, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Exactly … they all had to work that hard. So why does that make her more worthy of the Female Vocalist award than the others?

    Again, I don’t think I implied that as I used the word women as a whole in the first post. Point out where I said she is more worthy?

  110. merlefan49
    September 10, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    It use to take years of hard work to win any of the CMAs. It took Tanya Tucker many many to win Female Vocalist of the year.

  111. Jon
    September 10, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    “I apologize. In the future I will be much more literal for your benefit.”

    If literal means saying one thing instead of something else, have at it. “Being taken seriously as an artist” doesn’t mean the same as selling CDs, does it? It’s funny how you look to sales as vindication for some artists, and then turn around and dismiss them for others. You were calling Dierks Bentley a failure not long ago for “only” selling a couple million CDs, and now you’re calling Neko Case a success for selling a couple hundred thousand. “Literal” indeed; trying being consistent instead.

    “How much of a bookkeeper do you have to be to know that the 96,000 copies that Middle Cyclone sold its first week (and her appearance on at #3 on the charts was news) is equal to the 96,000 that Easy Tiger sold? This isn’t hard nor is it subjective math.”

    Ryan Adams is your measure of success and respect for country – that’s what you’ve referred to Case and Chambers as – artists? Now that’s funny.

  112. Stormy
    September 10, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    If Neko’s label were spnding the kind of cah on airplay that Dierk’s does I would not consider her a sucess either.

  113. Gavin
    September 10, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    “How hard do you think women have to work in what I would call the most chauvinistic genre in the music business to get the appreciation and acknowledgment that the men seem to gain with ease? It takes double the effort for women to achieve the same status as the men and there is no argument that proves otherwise.”

    Again, Steve, where are the word’s “Carrie is more worthy” in this paragraph?

  114. Stormy
    September 10, 2009 at 6:38 pm
  115. Jon
    September 10, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    “It use to take years of hard work to win any of the CMAs. It took Tanya Tucker many many to win Female Vocalist of the year.”

    On the other hand, it didn’t take Tammy Wynette, Crystal Gayle or K. T. Oslin very long at all. In fact, I think Tucker probably took longer than anyone else, male or female, as measured between debut as a solo artist and year of first award.

  116. Jon
    September 10, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    “If Neko’s label were spnding the kind of cah on airplay that Dierk’s does I would not consider her a sucess either.”

    Now you’re the bookkeeper for two labels, too? You must be a busy gal.

  117. donna Nickles
    September 10, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    I shouldn’t have said Taylor Swift had no talent, she’s a great songwriter but she can’t sing worth a damn even with the tricks in the studio. as far as all her fans, like I said before teeny-boppers that wouldn’t know good country music if it fell & hit them in the head

  118. Jon
    September 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    “Yeah I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRuY49nXgA8 is country.”

    What’s the sound of a comment going right over someone’s head?

  119. kevin w
    September 10, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    “The Swift-tards will cry when Swift goes home with 0 awards.”

    Intelligent view here.

  120. Razor X
    September 10, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Again, I don’t think I implied that as I used the word women as a whole in the first post. Point out where I said she is more worthy?

    Maye I misunderstood you. You started off challenging the assertion that Carrie wasn’t worthy of a 4th Female Vocalist win, and then you went on to talk about how hard she worked to get ahead in a chauvinistic industry. I’m just not sure what one has to do with the other, because every other Female Vocalist nominee faced the same situation.

  121. Stormy
    September 10, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Jon: I don’t have to be a bookkeeper to have a brain in my head.

  122. Steve Harvey
    September 10, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    The Swift-tards will cry when Swift goes home with 0 awards.
    What a ridiculous notion. At the very least, Swift will (deservedly) win video.
    She’s got a good shot at album too. And Entertainer for that matter. Not that I’m pulling for her for those last too, but I’d be stunned if she didn’t pick up at least one trophy.

  123. Steve from Boston
    September 10, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Again, I don’t think I implied that as I used the word women as a whole in the first post. Point out where I said she is more worthy?

    “….. You started off challenging the assertion that Carrie wasn’t worthy of a 4th Female Vocalist win, and then you went on to talk about how hard she worked to get ahead in a chauvinistic industry. I’m just not sure what one has to do with the other, because every other Female Vocalist nominee faced the same situation.”

    At the very least Gavin, it was by implication that you stated Carrie is AS worthy of 4 CMAs in that category. Maybe not in the paragraph you cited there, but the overall thrust of your comments. If I misunderstood your intention, then I apologize.

    But Razor continues to speak my mind, eloquently and more concisely than is my custom.

    The negative effect on the genre I have been alluding to has nothing to do with any gains she may have made for women’s equity in the industry, but rather it has everything to do with the way her brand of “country” is diluting the meaning of the word, and weakening the musical identity of an entire genre. I have posed the question before and still have not recieved a good answer..

    Just what is Country about most of Carrie’s music?

    With the exception of some token steel and fiddle, and some song titles and lyrics, I just don’t see a significant Country current in most of her songs.

    The token attributes qualify her as a Nashville Pop singer, not a true Country singer, imo. Now if she would record more songs like How Great Thou Art, Stand By Your Man, and I Told You So, I would probably have a differnt take on the situation.

  124. Gavin
    September 11, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Steve you stated that Carrie winning a fourth FVOY award would basically taint the careers of Reba and Martina and I said it wouldn’t and I think you got the jist of that for the most part. Then you demean Carries legacy by saying she didn’t deserve her achievements for the simple fact you don’t approve of her music or the way she entered into the business. Like she got a free walk in the park or something and then I pointed out how hard it is for women to make it in this particular genre. Not once did I imply that she was more worthy than any other female artist.

    Razor got it about as good as you did.

    The negative effect on the genre I have been alluding to has nothing to do with any gains she may have made for women’s equity in the industry, but rather it has everything to do with the way her brand of “country” is diluting the meaning of the word, and weakening the musical identity of an entire genre. I have posed the question before and still have not recieved a good answer..

    Just what is Country about most of Carrie’s music?

    I do know she has a fiddle player in her band so I suppose Randy Owens would consider her country. The arms of country music reach out far and wide these days. Carries brand of country has nothing to with what country radio gravitated toward. Men out number women 10 to 1 as far as what is played on radio. If anyone is weakening the musical identity of a genre it definitely isn’t a woman. Women are too busy competing for spins. Radio dictates if a song is country enough in mainstream society not you or me. Our job is to request, turn the channel or run to our ipods. I know that most of Carries music sits in a gray area of what people would consider country. You say it isn’t country enough and that pop fan sitting next to you says it’s too country.

  125. Vicki
    September 11, 2009 at 6:13 am

    I want to know why we are discussing if Carrie is Country or not when I ask why don’t we discuss the male vocalists of the year and if they are country or not?

  126. Stormy
    September 11, 2009 at 6:34 am

    We already have and came to the conclusion that most of them are not.

  127. Steve from Boston
    September 11, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Gavin, I never said a 4th Carrie win would taint Reba or Martina’s careers, I just said it would diminish the crediblility of the CMAs,and thus lessen the value of the awards, I should have added specifically in Carrie’s case anyway, because yes, I don’t feel she deserves any of the FVOTY awards she has recieved, I think there were better candidates in each of those years …maybe that newcomer award back when Faith said “WHAT?!”, but not female vocalist, especially in that same year.

    Oh, and I agree, Razor puts it very well, and again usually far more concisely than I do.

    And you say, Gavin: “I do know she has a fiddle player in her band so I suppose Randy Owens would consider her country. The arms of country music reach out far and wide these days. Carries brand of country has nothing to with what country radio gravitated toward.”

    Does Carrie have a steel guitar player in her band as well? Just curious…even so, the inclusion of *token* fiddle (or steel) makes one Nashville Pop at best, just “country” enough to be distinquished from mainstream Pop.

    And to address the whole man vs woman thing again, the men are not off the hook, as Stormy indicated in response to Vicki’s point.

    I think Rascall Flatts and Keith Urban especially have been as destructive to the identity of the genre as Carrie and Taylor have. (But I gotta say, Keith Urban is a heck of a great talent, for whatever his kind of music is.)

    Again, the men can be Traditonal and sucessfull, even though some clearly are not. And it is a double standard that the women MUST be pop or country pop to succeed in Nashville nowadays. So maybe Carrie is just playing Nashville’s game, and better than just about anyone else.

    Again, it is a ridiculous assertion to attribute misogynistic (chauvinistic) motives to everyone who objects to Carrie’s pop inspired diluting of Country music to “bring in new fans”.

    It seems that the bulk of Carrie’s fanbase will be satisfied with nothing less that her complete, eternal and utter domination of the genre.

    To those who say that we detractors are “too narrow” in our definition of real Country, and (Gavin) “the arms of country music reach far and wide these days” and that there is “room for everybody”…Well, apparently there is not much room for the ladies who stay true to Tradition. They are the ones who are struggling for spins, not Carrie and Taylor.

    And Carrie fans who claim there is room for all, fine, easy to say when you’re sitting on top, getting all the awards and airplay…. how would you like to trade places with us, the fans of the more traditonal women and see YOUR hero struggle for spins and airtime?

    Didn’t think so…

  128. Vance
    September 11, 2009 at 11:07 am

    What a ridiculous notion. At the very least, Swift will (deservedly) win video.
    She’s got a good shot at album too. And Entertainer for that matter. Not that I’m pulling for her for those last too, but I’d be stunned if she didn’t pick up at least one trophy.
    ———–

    Maybe according to you it’s a ridiculous notion but I believe that Music Video of the Year is the only one she has a chance of winning. And that chance is not even that good.

  129. Gavin
    September 11, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    I should have added specifically in Carrie’s case anyway, because yes, I don’t feel she deserves any of the FVOTY awards she has recieved, I think there were better candidates in each of those years …maybe that newcomer award back when Faith said “WHAT?!”, but not female vocalist, especially in that same year.

    Hilarious stuff. You are so completely wrong here it is ridiculous. No one was even close to Carrie in what qualifies someone for a nomination and win. It was complete and utter domination. Where do you come up with this stuff. Dude you might as well slit your wrists now and get it over with because if she wins this year and next that would make five and check mate. Hell you might blow a gasket or something.

  130. Steve from Boston
    September 11, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Gavin says:

    “Hilarious stuff. You are so completely wrong here it is ridiculous. No one was even close to Carrie in what qualifies someone for a nomination and win. It was complete and utter domination. Where do you come up with this stuff. Dude you might as well slit your wrists now and get it over with because if she wins this year and next that would make five and check mate. Hell you might blow a gasket or something.”

    ________________________________

    Sorry Gavin, I mistook you for one of the (semi)rational Carrie fans. My mistake.

  131. Tom
    September 12, 2009 at 6:18 am

    isn’t being a fan all about being totally irrational,biased and finding everything triple awesome, anymore?

  132. taylor rox
    September 13, 2009 at 1:10 am

    i dont see why anyone wud ever hate on Taylor she deserves each of those awards… she is a gifted songwriter and singer, entertainer and chart topping if the awards were fan voted these wud be my votes

    Entertainer:Taylor Swift
    Male Vocalist: Brad Paisley
    Female Vocalist:Taylor Swift
    Vocal Group: Rascal Flatts
    Duo: Sugarland
    New Artist: Jake Owen or Darius Rucker (ANYone than ZBB or Jamey Jonson i hate them)
    Musician: idk
    Album of the Year: Fearless
    Single: Then, or I Run to You
    Song: I Told You So
    Musical Event:“I Told You So” – Carrie Underwood featuring Randy Travis
    Video of the Year: “Love Story” – Taylor Swift
    Directed by Trey Fanjoy
    Taylor Swift is the best im obsessivenessly crazy
    im so crazy i jus made up that word

  133. taylor rox
    September 13, 2009 at 1:15 am

    i think Taylor should win every award
    Album b cuz she sold more albums then Madonna, Miley Cyrus, Mariah Carey, and the Jonas Brothers
    Video b cuz she always comes up with such beautiful and awsom videos :)
    Entertainer, welll… you can see why entertainer
    Female Vocalist b cuz she is an awesome vocalist and Carrie underwood is really good but i think that Taylor shud win this year… sorry carrie
    if she dosnt win at least one award then the CMA’s are most likely the laffstock of country music awards

  134. Nickd
    September 13, 2009 at 2:27 am

    Taylor Rox,
    I’m a huge Taylor Swift fan, but you’re probably the reason a lot of people hate her. Her fans sound like 12 year olds that don’t know anything. Please, never use “laffstock” ever again. You should take an English class. You might be able to understand what the words in her songs actually mean.

    For all you doubting her vocal talent, I’ve seen her in concert multiple times. She sounds 100x better than when she performs on TV. She connects with the words on such a personal level, you can hear her emotions through them. And Stephen, the video you posted of her is literally from 3 years ago. She’s grown and developed A LOT since then.

    On another note, I’m so excited every time Little Big Town gets nominated for something because I feel like they are such an underrated group! They’re music is beautiful on so many levels. Their harmonies, lyrics…everything is amazing!

  135. SERIOUSLYYY!!!
    September 13, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    REALLY TAYLOR SWIFT AS ENT. OF THE YEAR U HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME SHE IS THE WORST SINGER EVER HER VOICE SUCKS AND HER SONGS ARE ALL THE SAME(ABOUT HER NOT BEING ABLE TO KEEP A BF) AND I REALLY DONT GET HOW SHE EVEN BECAME A SINGER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! CARRIE UNDERWOOD DESERVES THAT SPOT AND TO WIN NOT HER!! AND TAYLOR AS FEMALE VOCALIST WTF REALLY

  136. Erik
    September 13, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    OMGZ, CARRIE RULEZ, LOL!

  137. Stormy
    September 13, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Aren’t most of Carrie’s songs about how she can’t keep a BF?

  138. Stormy
    September 13, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    if she dosnt win at least one award then the CMA’s are most likely the laffstock of country music awards

    Aren’t they already?

  139. Razor X
    September 13, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    if she dosnt win at least one award then the CMA’s are most likely the laffstock of country music awards

    Aren’t they already?

    Currently it’s a tossup between the ACMs and the CMT Awards as to which one gets the “laffstock” designation. If the CMA does indeed give the Entertainer of the Year award to Taylor, then they will have earned the title of “laffstock” for sure.

  140. Tara Seetharam
    September 13, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    “And Carrie fans who claim there is room for all, fine, easy to say when you’re sitting on top, getting all the awards and airplay…. how would you like to trade places with us, the fans of the more traditonal women and see YOUR hero struggle for spins and airtime?”

    I believe many who claim there is room for all are referring to the country music genre in general…not commercial, airplay or award success. I know you didn’t mean for it to come off like this, but I really do despise the idea of women in country music (and their fans) being pitted against each other (“you’re sitting on top,” “us”…). I understand that the way the country music industry works does in fact pit these women against each other, but it’s extremely unfair to assume that the women at the top and all of their fans are unaware or worse yet pleased with this. Being a fan of Carrie does not equate with wanting other artists to struggle.

  141. Maureen McCole
    September 16, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Come on, Folks. Taylor Swift is an awful vocalist. I think she is a talented songwriter for her age group but she needs quite a bit of maturing before she truly blooms as an artist. Entertainer of the Year—no way.
    Chesney is boring; so i think the EOTY will go to Brad this year. Male Vocalist should be George Strait–he’s the best singer there is.

  142. Chris N.
    September 16, 2009 at 9:41 am

    I’m not gonna be able to go along with “laffstock” as a word. Sounds like a horrible comedy festival.

  143. js
    September 17, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    the female voice of sugarland (jennifer) voice is like nails on a chalk board to me. i just want to cover my ears.

  144. Tom
    September 17, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    nobody’s stopping you, js

  145. Maureen McCole
    September 29, 2009 at 8:20 am

    I have a feeling that Reba will win the Female Vocalist. It’s great to have her back!
    Musical Event of the Year should not go to Start a Band. Keith and Brad may be good musicians, but i do not think the video was hot. In taste and simplicity, Troubadour was the best video.
    Brad can not sing; keith is okay; kenny stinks; darius drucker??? George Strait is the best.
    Entertainer of the year will go to Brad this year.

  146. Maureen McCole
    September 29, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Not that I like Brad’s music but the Academy will reward him this year. TS should not win EOTY–i don’t care how many albums she’s sold.
    If TS gets any award, it might be for Video (although i don’t think it deserves it).

    Duo will go to Brooks & Dunn to cap a long and ending partnership.

    If George Strait doesn’t pick up at least one award (and i think it should be Male Vocalist), I quit watching the CMAs.

  147. Dan
    October 15, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    DAUGHTRY will be performing at these CMA awards. They will be singing “Tennessee Line” with Vince Gill. This song is from their second CD, Leave This Town, and it is amazing! There are going to be so many wonderful performances this night, and I’m so glad that Daughtry is going to be in the lineup.

    Other scheduled performers include Tim McGraw, Jason Aldean, Billy Currington, Lady Antebellum, Miranda Lambert, Zac Brown Band, Brooks & Dunn, Kenny Chesney, Reba McEntire, Brad Paisley, Darius Rucker, George Strait, Sugarland, Taylor Swift, Carrie Underwood, and Keith Urban.

    Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood wil again be hosting this year. They did a wonderful job last year. It should be a lot of fun come November 11, 2009!

  148. Steve M.
    October 15, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Isn’t Daughtry a crap rock band? Why invite them to the CMA’s?

  149. Andy W.
    October 27, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    I don’t really consider Taylor Swift country. She plays the acoustic guitar, but I’m sorry, some of her songs are strictly pop, and if I didn’t know who she was, I’d think it was some song from the Disney Channel. Nominating her for Entertainer of the Year is kind of a joke.

    Carrie Underwood… she has had kind of a low key year, for her anyway. Maybe next year. But didn’t she just win the top award at the Academy of Country Music’s award show this year? It was a little surprised she wasn’t nominated, but not totally, since her last CD came out nearly two years ago. But it’s not like her and Taylor are rivals or anything. I’m sure they wish one another well as they’ve both secured their places in the music industry.

    I really do like Joey and Rory. That girl has a voice a sweet as I’ve ever heard. Too bad their songs aren’t all that spectacular. But good for them anyway.

    Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, Kenny Chesney… boring, boring, boring. Actually I like the first two okay, but the CMA’s make them all out to be geniuses or something, and a lot of the time, they’re just gimmicky dorks. These are cowboys who wear designer jeans while singing about wranglers! I’ve had enough of them.

  150. Jillian
    November 5, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    I would love to see Miranda win she is amazing people just don’t give her enough credit.
    As for Taylor well first off all she is NOT country i dont consider her country what so ever, she can win any other award and i would be happy for her but for her to take awards from true country artists just makes me angry.

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