2010 International Bluegrass Music Awards Nominees

Staff | August 18th, 2010

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Nominees for the 21st annual International Bluegrass Music Awards were announced this morning and once again, Dailey & Vincent top the list with 10 nominations. Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out follow with six nods and right on their heels are Michael Cleveland & Flamekeeper, Sam Bush, and The Grascals with five apiece. The full list of nominees can be found on the IBMA website or viewed below:

Entertainer of the Year

  • Michael Cleveland & Flamekeeper
  • Dailey & Vincent
  • The Grascals
  • The Del McCoury Band
  • Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out

Vocal Group of the Year

  • Blue Highway
  • Dailey & Vincent
  • The Gibson Brothers
  • Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver
  • Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out

Instrumental Group of the Year

  • Blue Highway
  • Sam Bush Band
  • Michael Cleveland & Flamekeeper
  • The Infamous Stringdusters
  • Ricky Skaggs & Kentucky Thunder

Male Vocalist of the Year

  • Jamie Dailey
  • Russell Moore
  • Tim O’Brien
  • Junior Sisk
  • Dan Tyminski

Female Vocalist of the Year

  • Dale Ann Bradley
  • Sonya Isaacs
  • Alison Krauss
  • Patty Loveless
  • Claire Lynch


Album of the Year

Recording Title, Artist(s), Producer(s), Label

  • Circles Around Me, Sam Bush (artist & producer), Sugar Hill
  • Dailey & Vincent Sing the Statler Brothers, Dailey & Vincent (artists), Jamie Dailey & Darrin Vincent (producers), Cracker Barrel/Rounder
  • Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out, Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out (artists & producers), Rural Rhythm
  • Ring the Bell, The Gibson Brothers (artists and producers), Compass
  • The Famous Lefty Flynn’s, The Grascals (artists & producers), Rounder

Song of the Year

Song Title, Artist(s), Songwriter(s)

  • “Elizabeth,” Dailey & Vincent (artists), Lester James Fortune (songwriter)
  • “Hard Rock Mountain Prison (‘Till I Die);” Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out (artists); Ray Edwards, Larry Cox & Terry Foust (songwriters)
  • “My Florida Sunshine,” Claire Lynch (artist), Bill Monroe (songwriter)
  • “Ring the Bell,” The Gibson Brothers (artists), Chet O’Keefe (songwriter)
  • “The Ballad of Stringbean and Estelle;” Sam Bush (artist); Guy Clark, Verlon Thompson & Sam Bush (songwriters)

Recorded Event of the Year

Song Title, Featured Artists, Producer(s), Label

  • “Bleeding for a Little Peace of Mind,” Blue Highway featuring Darrell Scott (artists), Blue Highway (producers), Rounder
  • “Give This Message to Your Heart,” Larry Stephenson featuring Dailey & Vincent (artists), Ben Surratt & Larry Stephenson (producers), Whysper Dream
  • “I’m Blue, I’m Lonesome;” The Grascals with Hank Williams, Jr.; The Grascals (producers); Rounder
  • “Talk to Me Lonesome Heart,” Larry Stephenson featuring Connie Smith & Marty Stuart (artists), Ben Surratt & Larry Stephenson (producers), Whysper Dream
  • “That’s What Makes You Strong,” Claire Lynch with Jesse Winchester (artists), Claire Lynch (producer), Rounder

Gospel Recorded Performance of the Year

Song Title, Artist(s), Songwriter(s), Producer, Label

  • “Don’t You Wanna Go to Heaven,” Dailey & Vincent (artists), David Marshall (songwriter), Jamie Dailey & Darrin Vincent (producers), Rounder Records
  • “I Just Want to Thank You Lord,” Larry Sparks (artist, producer), Judy Marshall (songwriter), Rural Rhythm
  • “Light on My Feet, Ready to Fly;” Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver (artists); Corey Hensley (songwriter); Doyle Lawson (producer); Horizon
  • “Ring the Bell,” The Gibson Brothers (artists), Chet O’Keefe (songwriter), The Gibson Brothers (producers), Compass
  • “The Eastern Gate;” Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out (artists, producers); Isaiah G. Martin (songwriter); Rural Rhythm

Instrumental Recorded Performance of the Year

Tune Title, Artist(s), Songwriter, Producer(s), Label

  • “Blue Mountain,” Sam Bush (artist, songwriter, producer), Sugar Hill
  • “Blue Rock Slide;” The Grascals (artists, producers); Danny Roberts, Kristin Scott Benson & Jeremy Abshire (songwriters); Rounder
  • “Cherokee Shuffle,” Josh Williams (artist, producer), Tommy Jackson (songwriter), Pinecastle
  • “Durang’s Hornpipe,” Adam Steffey (artist), Public Domain (songwriter), Barry Bales & Gary Paczosa (producers), Sugar Hill
  • “Mourning Dove,” Steep Canyon Rangers (artists), Nicholas Sanders (songwriter), Ronnie Bowman (producer), Rebel

Emerging Artist of the Year

  • Balsam Range
  • Sierra Hull & Highway 111
  • Danny Paisley & The Southern Grass
  • Junior Sisk & Ramblers Choice
  • Josh Williams Band

Instrumental Performers of the Year

    BANJO

  • Terry Baucom
  • Kristin Scott Benson
  • J.D. Crowe
  • Sammy Shelor
  • Ron Stewart
    BASS

  • Barry Bales
  • Mike Bub
  • Missy Raines
  • Darrin Vincent
  • Marshall Wilborn
    FIDDLE

  • Jason Carter
  • Michael Cleveland
  • Stuart Duncan
  • Andy Leftwich
  • Ron Stewart
    DOBRO

  • Mike Auldridge
  • Jerry Douglas
  • Andy Hall
  • Rob Ickes
  • Randy Kohrs
    GUITAR

  • Cody Kilby
  • Tony Rice
  • Kenny Smith
  • Bryan Sutton
  • Josh Williams
    MANDOLIN

  • Jesse Brock
  • Sam Bush
  • Sierra Hull
  • Ronnie McCoury
  • Adam Steffey

  • Bluegrass Event of the Year
    • Pass It On: The 30th Anniversary Minnesota Bluegrass & Old-Time Music Festival; St. Cloud, Minnesota
    • The 14th Annual Podunk Bluegrass Music Festival; East Hartford, Connecticut
    • The Red, White & Bluegrass Festival; Morganton, North Carolina

  • Bluegrass Broadcaster of the Year
    • Kyle Cantrell; Sirius XM Satellite Radio; Nashville, Tenn.
    • Katy Daley; WAMU’s BluegrassCountry.org; Washington, D.C.
    • Chris Jones; Sirius XM Satellite Radio; Nashville, Tenn.

  • Print Media Person of the Year
    • Eddie Dean & Dr. Ralph Stanley, authors of Man of Constant Sorrow: My Life and Times (Gotham)
    • Derek Halsey, freelance writer for The Herald Dispatch, Gritz magazine and Bluegrass Unlimited
    • Larry Nager, freelance writer for Bluegrass Unlimited

  • Liner Notes for Recorded Project
    • Fred Bartenstein (writer), Singing from the Heart, Dailey & Vincent (artists), Rounder (label)
    • Benji Flaming (writer), solo banjo, Benji Flaming (artist), solobanjo.com (label)
    • Dr. Ted Olson (writer); Appalachia Music from Home; Ralph Stanley, Jean Ritchie, Dock Boggs, Darrell Scott, Robin & Linda Williams, Blue Highway & More (artists); Lonesome Records (label)

  • Best Graphic Design for Recorded Project
    • Julie Craig, Cracker Barrel (designer); Dailey & Vincent; Dailey & Vincent Sing the Statler Brothers; Cracker Barrel/Rounder (label)
    • Benji Flaming (designer, artist), solo banjo, solobanjo.com (label)
    • Bill Womack, Hellos Inc. (designer); Appalachia Music from Home; Ralph Stanley, Jean Ritchie, Dock Boggs, Darrell Scott, Robin & Linda Williams, Blue Highway & More (artists); Lonesome Records (label)
    1. CountryFan
      August 18, 2010 at 1:48 pm

      Wow… not a single nomination for Rhonda Vincent. Surprising. I wonder why the IBMA seems so against her these days. Her last album was pretty bad though….

    2. Waynoe
      August 18, 2010 at 2:50 pm

      I have thought th esame thing about Cherryholmes. I don’t beleive they appear anywhere for awards, not even individual. Doesn’t seem right there.

      IBMA can be all the rage over someone and then drop them like a hot potatoe in subsequent years.

      I mean, Cherryholmes is nominated for Grammy’s for goodness sake and not IBMA?

    3. CountryFan
      August 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm

      So very true… seems like they are all over Dailey & Vincent nowadays… wonder how long it will take to drop them.

      I find the Female Vocalist nominees very intriguing… I love Alison Krauss, but hasn’t it been like 6 years since she’s done a bluegrass album?? I find it odd that Patty Loveless is nominated too… since they are usually so cold to outsiders.

    4. Matt Bjorke
      August 18, 2010 at 3:15 pm

      Rhonda didn’t release anything this eligibility period. I’m more surprised that the Steep Canyon Rangers aren’t anywhere in this list.

    5. CountryFan
      August 18, 2010 at 5:03 pm

      Alison Krauss didn’t either… its been years since she’s had an album out.

    6. Jon
      August 18, 2010 at 5:12 pm

      Steep Canyon Rangers are there, Matt.

    7. Matt Bjorke
      August 18, 2010 at 5:19 pm

      I see that Jon, I scanned right by it.

    8. Rick
      August 18, 2010 at 6:48 pm

      Its nice to see Patty Loveless get a token nomination for her vocals on “Mountain Soul II”, but there’s no way she could win, and quite frankly doesn’t deserve to.

      If the Cherryholmes family wasn’t so “democratic” about letting a bunch of family members take lead vocal duties, they might have a better chance at a future nomination. Cia Leigh is the only top shelf vocal talent in the group (Molly is okay but lacks Cia’s vocal power) and if she were to vocally front the band the way Rhonda Vincent does her’s they would be more highly regarded. Also, working with top outside songwriters wouldn’t hurt either as apart from Cia the closed-loop family process has shown its limitations. With the “family act” novelty factor long gone they’ve got to compete head to head with the competition.

      Hey, where are 3 Fox Drive, Donna Hughes, and Donna Ulisse? Crikey mate!

    9. Jeremy Dyan
      August 18, 2010 at 6:59 pm

      I’m pulling for Jerry Douglas and Stuart Duncan!

    10. Waynoe
      August 18, 2010 at 7:31 pm

      Becoming more like the turd-pile CMA awards each year.

    11. Jon
      August 18, 2010 at 8:21 pm

      Mighty brave behind your fake name, aren’t you, Waynoe?

    12. Jon
      August 18, 2010 at 8:23 pm

      @Rick There are always more folks qualified to be nominees than there are available slots.

    13. Leeann Ward
      August 18, 2010 at 8:25 pm

      How so, Wayno?

    14. Waynoe
      August 18, 2010 at 8:35 pm

      Jon,
      Go back to your myspace account and bloviate.

      Leeann,

      I just mean more political and lobbying. Reference the above comments and there is no reason why some acts are nominated and some are not. Obviously I am speaking of my perception becasue none of us are smarter than Jon the Bloviator.

    15. Jon
      August 18, 2010 at 8:59 pm

      “More political and lobbying” = “the artists I would have voted for if I were a musican and a member of the IBMA didn’t get nominated.”

    16. Waynoe
      August 18, 2010 at 9:10 pm

      Some did and some didn’t. But Alison Krauss? And no Cia Cherryholmes for banjo? Some obvious missteps here.

    17. Paul W Dennis
      August 18, 2010 at 9:16 pm

      I quite agree Rick – givewn more exposure, Cia Cherryholme would rank with Rhonda Vincent as one of the top two female vocalists in the genre

      Rhonda Vincent is sort of between labels at this time having left Rounder, so I am not surprised that she did not receive any nominations on this go-round

      Dale Ann Bradley is the best among this years nominees for top female – I hope she wins it

    18. Jon
      August 18, 2010 at 9:31 pm

      “Obvious missteps?” Which of the nominees for Banjo Player of the Year should “obviously” have been replaced by Cia? And why would anyone think that Alison Krauss isn’t a good singer?

      Paul: Rhonda isn’t really “between” labels; she’s putting out her new album on her own label.

      Like I said, there are always more qualified candidates than slots, and while “analyses” like Rick’s are easy to spin, they’re pretty much spun out of thin air. I think that by and large it’s a fine crop of nominees.

    19. Justin Voss
      August 18, 2010 at 11:27 pm

      Good to see the Gibson Brothers finally getting significant IBMA recognition. Over the past decade they’ve had a long streak of #1 albums and songs on the Blue Grass Unlimited survey. Ring The Bell has simply dominated the Survey all year. Kudos to the IBMA members!

    20. Steve from Boston
      August 19, 2010 at 12:24 am

      Congrats to Patty Loveless for a well deserved nomination, and hopefully her first win. “Outsider” or not, the versatility she has demonstrated with both Country and Bluegrass music should not be held against her, nor should it be considered a liability. She is incredibly proficient in both genres, with a real Mountain timbre in her voice that soulfully conveys “high- lonesome” and deep mountain emotion.

      Solid category, and if Patty weren’t in the running, It would be hard for me to choose between Sonya Isaacs and Claire Lynch. I also love Alison’s voice, but to my ears she always sounds more Celestial than down-to-earth Appalachian.

      I’m pullin’ for Rob Ickes, Ronnie McCoury, and Stuart Duncan in their respective categories.

      Also, Dan Tyminski for Male Vocalist

    21. Waynoe
      August 19, 2010 at 8:24 am

      Jon,

      Someone being a good singer isn’t necessarily the qualfication to being nominated is it?

      Also technically Paul is correct in his “between labels” comment as that was where she was when the nominiees were decided on. I believe the release date fir her new album on her label isn’t unitl September.

      Not much disagreement with Rick; however Cherryholmes are outstanding musicians and am still surpirsed that they were not chosen inthe gruops of EOTY awards.

    22. Jon
      August 19, 2010 at 8:57 am

      Actually, Waynoe, it is. And which part of Paul’s “at this time” do you not understand?

      Also, still waiting for the name of a Banjo Player nominee you think is “obviously” inferior to Cia.

    23. john m
      August 20, 2010 at 10:08 pm

      Bluegrass is quite a bit different than other genres. There are a LOT of individual artist and groups that just play because they like to play. They don’t play for money or fame but for the music. Yall have named some top artist but there are lots of artist who are just as good and some much better who simply don’t worry about the awards. All the IBMA nominees are certainly worthy but there are lots of others just as deserving if not more so. Some artist nominated lobbied members for votes and sent whole cd’s in the mail. Some of it is just a popularity contest. Patty Loveless for example. She is one of my favorite singers ever but how many actual bluegrass festivals did she play? None that I know of. I know she did a “tour” but that’s different than a festival where artist mingle with fans. Even though she released a bluegrass album she is not really part of the scene and I think its sad her star power knocked out more deserving “bluegrass” artist. That’s not her fault and I’m sure not her intention but it is true. When Steve Martin showed up at the awards last year his biggest concern was that his stardom might take the spot light off the music. That was admirable.

    24. Leeann Ward
      August 20, 2010 at 10:22 pm

      I could be wrong, but I believe Patty did play bluegrass festivals, not that I think that’s necessarily a requirement or anything. Then again, I don’t know that country music people would be thrilled if somebody like John Fogerty got a male vocalist nomination, since he’s not committed to strictly be a country artist, even though he’s made two country albums in his career. I know my example isn’t really equal to the Patty situation, but I can’t think of anyone else to use right now. But my larger curiosity remains.

      I don’t know the bluegrass community at all, so I wonder how they feel about Patty being nominated. Personally, I’m pulling for her because I’m a fan, but I’d understand if bluegrassers are more ambivalent about the idea.

      I’m also pulling for Claire Lynch in that category.

    25. Jon
      August 20, 2010 at 10:47 pm

      I don’t know the bluegrass community at all, so I wonder how they feel about Patty being nominated.

      She was nominated, that’s how they feel ;-).

      Seriously, that her name appears among the nominees means that 1) her name was written down on a completely open ballot by at least 10 voting members (a/k/a professional members, those making all or part of their living in the industry, mostly artists and broadcasters but also including journalists, luthiers, merchandisers, agents, record labels, etc.), and then 2) out of a list containing the names of all candidates who were similarly listed by at least 10 voting members, she was among the top 5 votegetters in ballots cast by those same professional members. It’s not a cabal of organizational big-wigs deciding who gets nominated, it’s the result of an open and democratic process.

      Now, Patty has certainly played at some bluegrass festivals, but you are right, Leeann, there is nothing in the award criteria that specify an artist must perform at bluegrass festivals to be eligible for an award. And the fact is, she is “part of the scene” in every meaningful respect; she has made bluegrass albums (including this year), and she has been appearing on bluegrass recordings for 20 years or so. She has hired outstanding bluegrass musicians for her band, and used them to present bluegrass segments in her show, and she has recorded songs by bluegrass songwriters like Carter Stanley and brought them to wider audiences (earning money for them along the way). She regularly performs bluegrass on her Opry appearances. And she never fails to talk up bluegrass to fans who otherwise would probably not hear the first word about it.

      Now, it is most definitely true that, as John M puts it, there are lots of other deserving candidates – not just in this, but in every category. It would be a pretty devastating indictment of bluegrass if there were only 5 outstanding instrumental groups, 5 outstanding female singers, 5 outstanding banjo players, etc. But the fact is that Patty Loveless has earned the respect and admiration of a lot of bluegrass musicians and others in the industry, and she is just as deserving of this nomination as anyone else.

    26. Leeann Ward
      August 20, 2010 at 10:58 pm

      Good to know. I was hoping you’d answer my question. When I say community, I think I really meant fans, which is what I should have said. Again, I don’t personally have a problem with her being nominated and I’ll even be thrilled for her if she wins, but it’s interesting to get people’s perspective on it. At any rate, her bluegrass albums are among my favorites of her albums, so I like that the bluegrass community respects her in that regard.

    27. Megan
      August 20, 2010 at 11:20 pm

      John M,

      For what it’s worth, Loveless has played multiple Bluegrass Festivals- actual festivals, including the Bill Monroe Bean Blossom Festival.

      Patty has cut way back on her Bluegrass in her shows, I was very, very disappointed with her concert last month, I will admit. I wrongfully assumed it would be like the performance I saw last year, promoting Mountain Soul II.

    28. Jon
      August 20, 2010 at 11:41 pm

      Well, her bluegrass records sell better than many bluegrass records, so I’d say that the fans are ok with her bluegrass efforts ;-).

    29. Leeann Ward
      August 20, 2010 at 11:59 pm

      I wish she had bluegrass at the show that I went to of hers as well, but she was between the covers album and the second bluegrass project at the time, so I could understand why she didn’t.

    30. Leeann Ward
      August 20, 2010 at 11:59 pm

      Do you think it was mostly her long time fans who drove those sales or bluegrass fans in particular?

    31. Megan
      August 21, 2010 at 12:10 am

      I saw her right when Mountain Soul I came out and the show was incredible. I saw her during the Sleepless Nights tour and could understand why she didn’t do any Mountain Soul stuff. Last year the show was totally acoustic, and didn’t bring a drummer along. This year she cut way back on the Bluegrass, brought back more stuff from the 90’s, and brought back the drummer. I was just a little bit bummed, I had hyped up the new album so much to the people that were with me and they barely got to hear it live.

      Just doesn’t seem to make sense to make drastic cuts on the show when the current record is Mountain Soul II. But, I’m not a performer so I guess set list decisions are harder than they seem :D I just prefer the Bluegrass, and I don’t actually like most of her 90’s stuff, so the show was a little pointless for me other than the couple Bluegrass songs and a few ballads.

    32. Leeann Ward
      August 21, 2010 at 12:13 am

      I could live without the drummer. He was way too loud at the show I was at. It didn’t ruin it for me, but it certainly threatened to.

    33. Megan
      August 21, 2010 at 12:13 am

      I don’t know about the sales wise since I’m not really that knowledgeable haha, but to chime in, we saw Patty at a Bluegrass Festival in 2005, and the hardcore Bluegrass Crowd was not friendly with her, and hecklers shouting about having a drummer on stage, and so on.

    34. Leeann Ward
      August 21, 2010 at 12:59 am

      That’s too bad.

    35. Ben Foster
      August 21, 2010 at 8:06 am

      The Patty show that I attended at the Ryman in Nashville last fall was, for the most part, one half bluegrass and the other half classics from “Sleepless Nights.” There few a few of her mainstream hit songs (“Blame It On You Heart,” “You Don’t Even Know Who I Am,” etc.) scattered throughout the show, but not many. There were no drums at the show I went to do. Everything was kept pretty simple.

      I think it’s nice that the IBMA has given Patty a nomination for her excellent work in the bluegrass field, even though I’m doubtful that she’ll win.

    36. john m
      August 21, 2010 at 8:58 am

      I’m a big fan of Patty’s music and I love her to death. I’m glad to hear she’s played some festivals though I’ve haven’t seen her name on a bill in recent years. I believe her mountain soul album sold more copies (250,000+ I read somewhere) than most bluegrass bands sell in a lifetime with the exception of Rhonda Vincent and maybe a few others. That proves to me its her country fan base that drives cd sales. She has many fans within IBMA too who love country music. Patty could bring a lot to bluegrass and help lift it up as a great American music form much the way Alison did if she wanted to but she seems to climb on and off the wagon. I just think its sad when deserving people who have put talents, their heart and soul in to this music are left in the shadows of some one’s celebrity. That’s all I’m saying.

    37. Michelle
      August 21, 2010 at 9:10 am

      John M., I’ll bet most bluegrass fans feel the same as you, but Jon will deny it until his dying breath.

    38. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 9:48 am

      I don’t believe that Mountain Soul sold 250,000 copies; could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I’m right. Not that it makes any difference, really. The IBMA’s awards are for artistic achievement, not devotion, and in my opinion, that’s a good thing. The bands that get the biggest hand at shows are the bands whose music people like the best, not the bands who had to travel the furthest, or who had to eat the most baloney sandwiches, and I think the same is true with respect to awards. And it seems to me that an artist ought to be able to “climb on and off the wagon” when it comes to making bluegrass recordings or playing bluegrass shows, if that’s what he or she wants to do as an artist. Some folks like doing nothing but one kind of music, others like to do different kinds at different times; again, why not evaluate the quality of the results instead of asking the artist to change what he or she wants to do in order to suit a particular audience? Isn’t that exactly the kind of accomodation (sometimes called “pandering”) that is a violation of the idea of artistic integrity? Again, if Patty Loveless got an IBMA nomination, it’s because people in the bluegrass industry – first and foremost, fellow artists plus broadcasters, who together account for about 2/3 of the professional membership – think that she deserves one.

    39. Leeann Ward
      August 21, 2010 at 9:52 am

      Yeah, that was part of my curiosity about how bluegrass fans feel about Patty, since she’s not committed to the genre. Having a great respect for it, as she surely does, is not the same as being a committed bluegrass artist. She plans to move onto something else for her next album and her bluegrass albums weren’t even recorded consecutively. Dolly Parton is in the same boat, even though her bluegrass albums were phenomenal as well (though I believe that her three bluegrass albums were recorded consecutively).

      While I accept Jon W’s answer regarding the bluegrass industry respecting what she does enough to nominate her, I know that there’s sometimes a difference between the fans and the industry regarding who should be nominated for awards, which is why I asked the question in the first place. I know that fans don’t always agree with the industry on who is nominated for certain awards in country music. So, it stands to reason that the same might happen in bluegrass too.

    40. Leeann Ward
      August 21, 2010 at 9:55 am

      Again, as someone outside of the bluegrass sphere, I’m thrilled for Patty Loveless since her music is the music that I’m most familiar with from those names. I just wondered how people with a more vested interested felt about it. I appreciate Jon’s answer, of course, but he does tend to think differently than normal folks, so it’s especially to see how an average fan reacts to the situation.

    41. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 10:37 am

      Leeann, with all due respect, how do you decide who an “average fan” is? And wouldn’t someone who’s out performing for or broadcasting to and talking to fans on a regular basis have just as good an idea, if not a better one, about what “average fans” think as any single “average fan” would? I think you’re coming perilously close to Stormy’s “the people in my office…” thinking ;-).

      I also have a strong aversion to the concept of being “committed to” a style of music. It’s music, not a religion; you can’t believe the tenets of both Judaism and Christianity at the same time, but you can like more than one kind of music at one time without doing any one of them a disservice in any respect; in fact, that’s what most “average fans” do – like more than one kind of music. And artists can be good at doing more than one kind of music, too.

      Patty Loveless has a bluegrass track record going back some 20 years, and encompassing more than just the two Mountain Soul albums (you’re forgetting her appearances on multiple Ralph Stanley albums; Bluegrass And White Snow; the bluegrass cuts on Dreamin’ My Dreams and more); she’s performed bluegrass at bluegrass venues (she’s a recurrent favorite at the very traditionally-oriented Ralph Stanley festival) and elsewhere; her bluegrass records do well on the bluegrass sales chart, they do well. She has been nominated for IBMA awards before, including Female Vocalist. At some point, you either have to see that her bluegrass music is, by and large, accepted by the bluegrass community or posit a years-long, industry-wide conspiracy to foist her music on an unwilling audience.

      Lastly, let me point out that while some – maybe even many – fans may grouse about CMA and ACM nominations and awards, the fact is that fan-voted awards on the one hand, and broader music industry awards on the other don’t diverge from them by very much at all. Sometimes you just have to accept that you’re in the minority ;-).

    42. Leeann Ward
      August 21, 2010 at 10:48 am

      Okay, Preacher Jon.

    43. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 11:24 am

      All right – now you can move on to getting more familiar with some of the other nominees! ;-)

    44. Megan
      August 21, 2010 at 11:29 am

      Ben, the Ryman show last year of Loveless’s was part of the acoustic MS II tour, it was only for last year unfortunately.

      Mountain Soul I had sold a little over 300,000 copies when I had last looked into it, which was last Sept when MS II came out.

    45. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 11:39 am

      Oh, well, if an album sells that well, it must not be bluegrass! ;-)

    46. Megan
      August 21, 2010 at 11:54 am

      ;-) Jon, I like you. Hah.

      It’s nice to see Loveless recognized, but I think Claire Lynch might take this one.

      And I wont complain if she does – incredible talent there, I’m listening to her now actually!

    47. Leeann Ward
      August 21, 2010 at 11:57 am

      Lynch puts on a wonderful show. I love how clear her voice is. She doesn’t sing how she talks.:)

    48. Megan
      August 21, 2010 at 12:02 pm

      Ahh, that’s so great to hear! I have never seen her live before! I would absolutely love to, but never had the chance to do so.

    49. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm

      Huh. To me, Claire’s singing voice and speaking voice are pretty much the same. But yes, she does put on a great show; I had the chance to see the band with Matt Wingate for the first time when we did Music City Roots with them a couple of weeks ago; they’ll get video from the show up on YouTube and the MCR website one of these days, I reckon…

    50. nm
      August 21, 2010 at 2:14 pm

      Eh, Jon, I have to disagree with you about Patty Loveless. Even when she’s singing bluegrass-based songs with bluegrass instrumentation, her style of singing is pretty much honky-tonk. I love it that she sings so many different sorts of things, but I don’t think she changes her vocal approach one bit when she does.

    51. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 2:39 pm

      Where did I say that Patty Loveless changes her vocal approach when singing one kind of country music or another?!

    52. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 2:43 pm

      Besides, I would love to know exactly what the putative differences between honky-tonk and bluegrass singing are and why they’re mutually exclusive.

    53. john m
      August 21, 2010 at 6:11 pm

      This is from Chet Flippo in 2002.

      http://www.cmt.com/news/nashville-skyline/1456146/nashville-skyline-can-bluegrass-turn-green-greenbacks-that-is.jhtml

      “The Down From the Mountain soundtrack has sold some 343,000 albums during its 51 weeks of charting, with sales last week of almost 3,000. Patty Loveless’ Mountain Soul is at 183,000 copies”

      Since those stats are 8 years old I’m not surprised she’s over 300,000 as Megan stated…. so I guess you were wrong Jon and if you want to stand by your statement neither of the albums mentioned above are “bluegrass”..

      I got my ballot in the mail today and I’ll be voting for Sonya Isaacs. Her music may not be as popular because its mostly Christian bluegrass but I think she is hands down the best vocalist in any genre..

    54. Jon
      August 21, 2010 at 7:31 pm

      I appreciate the info on the sales of Mountain Soul, but as my comic statement was meant to suggest, I’m not sure what it’s relevance is, unless folks are arguing that an album which sells well must perforce not be a bluegrass album ;-). I would also venture to say that Sonya Isaacs hasn’t plate many more bluegrass festivals this year than Patty Loveless, which underlines the possibility that that’s not an especially valuable criterion.

    55. john m
      August 21, 2010 at 11:22 pm

      Sorry Jon, I didn’t see the humor in your remarks pretty much calling me a liar. Maybe your humor got lost in all that sarcasm and arrogance and that’s why I didn’t notice. “I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure I’m right”. Still you should keep trying to be funny. Maybe someday you’ll be funny. I guess anything is possible. It’s obvious you’ll never be a Bill Cosby or Groucho Marx but that’s no reason not to keep trying. I mean if you really believe deep down you’re being funny maybe you should try out for America’s got talent. You know follow your dream and all that. Don’t take my word for it that your not funny. I don’t think your funny…” I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure I’m right” Just to show there’s no hard feelings let me give you a tip,if you think you are being funny and you look around and you are the only one laughing…then its not funny :).

    56. Jon
      August 22, 2010 at 7:46 am

      Dude, I didn’t call you a liar, and I wasn’t impolite; I said that I thought she didn’t sell that many copies of Mountain Soul, and I also said I could be wrong. Sorry if your feelings were hurt.

      I also said that I didn’t think it made any difference with respect to her being nominated for the IBMA’s Female Vocalist award, and you still haven’t shown why it does. Are you arguing that a record that sells that many copies isn’t a bluegrass album? That an artist who sells that many copies of a bluegrass album shouldn’t be considered for a bluegrass award? What is your point?

    57. john m
      August 22, 2010 at 8:35 am

      Well, You should probably take a fresh look at your reply because you did “pretty much” call me a liar and were very impolite but since you said you’re sorry I accept your apology.
      As for my point I made it in my first post but it may be hard for people who don’t “love” the music to comprehend. There are artist who “LOVE” this music and live to perform and preserve it. It’s not a religion as you suggested or it’s not that they don’t like other music. They simply love bluegrass .They live to play it. Perform it. Write it and listen to it. They take it to new levels of artistic quality and interpretation in small venues that are seldom noticed. They plant it in untold young hearts and they do all of that not to sell cd’s or not to put a trophy on a shelf but because they love the music. To Me those are the people that deserve recognition. They are the ones that make the music live. An IBMA trophy to Patty would get lost in a slew of trophies on a large mantel. An IBMA trophy to the people I’m talking about would be one of their most prized possessions. We all know Patty was voted in as a nominee but should she have been? I don’t think so because people are not respecting the award. They are making it a popularity contest. Of course festival promoters voted for her and would like for Patty to come to their festival. Look how many tickets she’d sell. Of course radio personalities want her to win because look at the listening audience she brings.
      Lots of folks didn’t want IBMA in Nashville because they are afraid the commercial influence will ruin bluegrass like it has country. Country is no longer real. It’s manufactured for profit. Many folks just want bluegrass music to keep it roots and remain bluegrass music. The awards should go to people who have honored and promoted the music. Not those who’ve sold the most cd’s. What’s hard to understand about that?

    58. Paul W Dennis
      August 22, 2010 at 9:45 am

      How about giving the awards to those who produce the best albums and those give the best live performances and leave it at that, rather than worrying about if the artist is merely dabbling in bluegrass, a full-time bluegrass artist or merely smoking some grass ?

    59. Fred Williams
      August 22, 2010 at 1:01 pm

      Loveless’ Mountain Soul II is full of excellence. Patty’s voice, when she sings about the coal mining areas of Kentucky, is as good as it gets. Her earlier harmonies with Vince Gill are chilling. This recording deserves the nomination. Claire Lynch’s newest recording will make traditional bluegrassers uncomfortable because it is very much like AKUS in pushing the definition of bluegrass into just plain good acoustic country music. Into that same category belongs Laurie Lewis’ “Blossoms”. I believe we should judge on what is musical excellence and let the traditional borders blur.

    60. Timeforanewstrategy
      August 22, 2010 at 6:51 pm

      I haven’t posted in nearly two years. Its nice that John M accepts Jons apology but Jon rarely treats people with the respect they are due. In just this thread he was also disrespectful to Leeann. Jon knows more than most people here but he insists on being obnoxious when correcting people. This is a problem that goes way beyond John M’s situation. I would recommend that people refuse to engage with Jon whatsoever.

    61. luckyoldsun
      August 22, 2010 at 9:18 pm

      That’s what you come up with after two years?
      I’ll throw my 2 cents in and say that Jon made a lot of sense in this thread.

      Anyway, as Steve Earle said, “Just remember, there’s no room in vulgarity for bluegrass.”

    62. Leeann Ward
      August 22, 2010 at 9:28 pm

      Is it good that Jon made sense to Luckyoldsun?–The guy who quotes Don Imus as if he’s funny?:)

      In all seriousness though, Jon is infuriating for sure, but he makes me think. I’m usually cool with that.

      As for Patty Loveless, I’m glad she’s fully accepted if she is. I love her, so good for her.

    63. Paul W Dennis
      August 22, 2010 at 10:04 pm

      Don Imus often is funny but that really has nothing to do with this topic.

      I really am appalled at the lack of civility among some of the posters, but then civility went out the door about the time of the Bork nomination. Since then it’s rarely been present in dicussion forums, political or otherwise

    64. Jon
      August 23, 2010 at 7:09 am

      Look, the problem is that John M. sets up some false dichotomies – for instance, one between the legions of unacknowledged artists who do nothing but bluegrass for no money just because they love it with such devotion and commitment (which, whether he realizes it or not, sounds like someone describing religious accolytes) and, on the other, Patty Loveless who, presumably, doesn’t love bluegrass, doesn’t care about getting any IBMA awards and therefore doesn’t deserve to be nominated for them no matter how good the bluegrass she makes is. But these awards aren’t the who-ate-the-most-baloney-sandwiches awards, nor the who’s-been-playing-bluegrass-the-longest awards; they’re awards designed to honor the best in bluegrass. Furthermore, I very much doubt that John M. really has any insights into how Patty Loveless would feel about taking home any IBMA awards; on the other hand, if he’s been keeping up, he knows how much she loves the music because she’s demonstrated that by word and deed over a couple of decades. And it’s actually kind of odd to see her singled out here, while Hank Williams Jr. (also nominated for an award), Darrell Scott (also nominated for an award) and others get a free pass, despite the fact that they are even less “devoted” to bluegrass than she. Heck, John M. says he’s going to vote for Sonya Isaacs for Female Vocalist, when she probably hasn’t played any more bluegrass festivals this year than Patty Loveless has and probably has about as many non-bluegrass awards on her mantel as the latter. There’s a lot of emotion in what he says, but not much sense.

    65. john m
      August 23, 2010 at 2:35 pm

      “Look, the problem is that John M. sets up some false dichotomies” Nothing could be farther from the truth.

      Everybody else got my point and understood what I was saying even if they didn’t agree. They never stooped to lying and saying I said things I didn’t just to prove how smart they think they are.
      Seems like every blog has it’s own self appointed expert who can’t wait to display their absolute ignorance and you didn’t disappoint JON. You should really consider what I said about America’s Got Talent because you certainly are a JOKE!

    66. Steve from Boston
      August 24, 2010 at 3:00 am

      Actually I think Jon makes the most well-reasoned and well supported-argument here.

      And just to elaborate a little..

      Patty Loveless puts her ever lovin’ mountain heart and soul into everything she
      does. Her Bluegrass projects are no exception. And it breaks my heart when some(certainly not all) elitists in the Bluegrass fan community treat her with contempt or are suspicious of her motives and question her credentials. It’s very ironic when they do so, because some of the folks they revere the most have an extremely
      high opinion of her. Ralph Stanley for one has called Patty his favorite female singer and considers her the “Queen of Mountain Soul”. As Jon pointed out, Patty’s peers and the critics have no problem with her Bluegrass credentials. Vince Gill brought her in for harmony vocals for his incredible “When I Call Your Name” because he wanted someone with a Bluegrass timbre in her voice. Kathy Mattea brought Patty in for harmnony on “Blue Diamond Mines” because she was searching for a true Applachian voice to compliment her own more Folk sounding voice.

      I’m admittedly no expert on Bluegrass, but I credit Patty Loveless (and to a
      lesser degree Sara Evans who grew up singing Bluegrass) with introducing me to the genre and instilling in me a deep appreciation for this type of music. And if Patty’s drawn me in, I’m sure she’s brought others in as well. It was the Country Patty who brought me to Bluegrass.

      It seems to me that Patty (like Ricky Skaggs) has built a two way bridge between the Country and Bluegrass communities, and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that a lot of Bluegrass fans have grown to appreciate real Country music because of her influence as well.

      I’ve read accounts from the “Down From the Mountain” tour that indicate some fans in attendance expressed reservations about a mere “Country” singer being allowed to participate. But there were several reports from several different shows that Patty stole the show each time with songs like You’ll Never Leave Harlan Alive and Pretty Little Miss, as well as a trio with Alison Krauss and Emmylou Harris (“..Nobody but the Baby”) they said Patty won them over. I know of one individual in particular who went to see his favorite artist Emmylou Harris, and walked away with a NEW favorite in Patty Loveless based on her performance of “Harlan” alone. A reporter confirms his perception that Patty unwittingly “upstaged” even the great Emmylou at these Bluegrass events.

      And adding to Jon’s examples, Patty’s also performed at some Merlefest concerts, the PBS All Star Bluegrass Festival, and dont forget that she did the highly acclaimed duet with Ralph Stanley “Pretty Polly” which spent a lot of time at number one on the Bluegrass charts.. I seem to recall that the good Dr. Stanley said something
      about their duet winning “Bluegrass record of the year” as well. Anyway, that was PRE Mountain Soul…And I may be mistaken, but didn’t Loveless co-sponsor and help induct both Ralph Stanley AND Del McCoury into the Grand Ole Opry?

      There was a documentary on TV about a year ago about the poverty in Appalachia. The main song they played behind the narrative was Patty’s iconic, dignified and devastating version of “You’ll Never Leave Harlan Alive”. Loveless has also been chosen as a celebrity spokesperson for the Christian Appalachian Project, and a free download of her version of “Working on a Building” is given with a contribution to this charity. And Patty has ridden the Santa Train several times now to help bring some cheer to impoverished Mountain children. It seems that for many, Coal miner’s daughter Loveless has become the very voice of Appalachia.

      She was born into Mountain culture, the same culture that nurtured the inventor of Bluegrass, Bill Monroe. Patty’s father loved all the Bluegrass greats and he instilled in her an abiding love for this music. You can hear it in her voice and see it in her eyes when she talks about her Dad. You can sense the presence of her parents when she invokes their memory and completely captivates her audience as she introduces “Harlan” in concert. And as the audience hangs on her every note and lyric, one has no doubt that she is singing not just from her heart, but from the very depths of her Appalachian soul. And on a lighter note, anyone who’s seen Patty sing Bluegrass in person or on TV can testify to the complete rapture and utter joy on her face as she watches the instumental virtuosos in her band perform their solos and play off of each other on songs like Pretty Little Miss, Big Chance and the Boys are Back in Town. There can be no reasonable doubt that Patty Loveless has a real love for Mountain and Bluegrass music.

      Patty’s also demonstrated great proficiency writing Mountain and Bluegrass music. Big Chance, songs from Mountain Soul and Bluegrass and White Snow albums, and the incredible “Sounds of Loneliness”, penned like a true prodigy at the age of 14. The song was featured in the companion album to the movie “Songcatcher”, which explores the relationship between Celtic/British folk songs and Applachian Mountain Music. Loveless instinctively wrote a song worthy to be included with tradtional mountain and folk songs such as Mary of the Wild Moor, Fair and Tender Ladies, and Barbara Allen..ancient songs whose authorship is lost to antiquity. Patty’s contribution to this project blends seamlessly with these venerated songs. In effect, Patty Loveless wrote a Mountain classic at the age of 14 and this demonstrates that this type of music exists in the core of her being.

      Patty Loveless has earned her celebrity, her good Country name, and the respect of her peers as well as the critics in both the Country and Bluegrass commnunities. So no, I dont think it’s odd that she has been nominated for an IBMA, on the contrary, I think it’s odd that she hasn’t won one yet. It is high time she does.

    67. Jon
      August 24, 2010 at 10:09 am

      @John M You certainly like to throw around the word “lying.” Here’s the essence of the false dichotomy I discussed, taken directly from your post:

      An IBMA trophy to Patty would get lost in a slew of trophies on a large mantel. An IBMA trophy to the people I’m talking about would be one of their most prized possessions.

      But unless you’ve talked with her about the topics, you don’t know the first thing about how Patty feels about bluegrass in general, or about winning an IBMA award in particular, and you further appear to know next to nothing about her track record in bluegrass or about the fact that she is already an IBMA award winner. All you know is that you think she “is not really part of the scene” and that even though she’s a “worthy” nominee (both of those quotes are from your first post), she doesn’t “deserve” to be – which is a bit self-contradictory.

      Furthermore, when you say:

      Patty could bring a lot to bluegrass and help lift it up as a great American music form much the way Alison did if she wanted to but she seems to climb on and off the wagon.

      The only sensible way to read this is that you believe that “climbing on and off the wagon” – that is, recording and performing other kinds of music besides bluegrass – prevents her from bringing a lot to bluegrass. Yet you also claim that she was nominated because bluegrass promoters want her to play at their festivals and bluegrass DJs want to air her songs – in both cases because her presence (live or on air) would bring new attendees and listeners to their shows. But isn’t that just about the definition of bringing a lot to bluegrass – new fans, new listeners?

      Lastly, I am one of those people you’re talking about, who loves to play bluegrass, write it and listen to it, who performs in small venues and teaches it to kids – and I do not take kindly to your claiming to speak on my behalf when it comes to who does or doesn’t deserve to be nominated for IBMA awards.

    68. Jon
      August 24, 2010 at 10:13 am

      @Steve From Boston Just to be clear, your post doesn’t “elaborate” on mine, it says a lot of things that are different from what I’ve been saying. Also, this:

      She was born into Mountain culture, the same culture that nurtured the inventor of Bluegrass, Bill Monroe.

      Ain’t true. Patty’s from southeastern Kentucky, Bill from western Kentucky, and there’s quite a bit of cultural (and musical) difference between the two. More specifically, Patty was born and spent her early years in Appalachia; Bill wasn’t and didn’t.

    69. Steve from Boston
      August 24, 2010 at 10:57 am

      Well Jon, whatever. I didnt mean to suggest that my entire post was an elaboration of yours. I elaborated in the sense that I added some examples to yours that demonstrate that Patty has a history beyond Mountain Soul of loving and performing Bluegrass. I was trying to make additional points while giving you credit for some fine examples and points you already made, but I guess some folks cant take “yes” for an answer. I’m starting to regret that I mentioned you at all in a positive way. Are you always contentious?

      But your knowledge of the genre seems to be very extensive and impressive, and your posts are interesting and informative at any rate.

      But I dont think you are saying that Patty DOESN’T deserve to be nominated or win this award, are you? Of course not. And the essence of what I was trying to say is also that she does deserve the accolade, and that she is no “outsider” and stranger to Bluegrass. And I wast trying to provide additonal reasons to make that case while acknowledging yours and building on that.

      You stated a lot of supportive things that I believe and have been saying about Patty for quite some time now, so I’m not sure where the differences are, except it seems to me you may be picking at the periphery. And it’s interesting that you focus on the real or pecieved differences instead of affirming the many areas of agreement we have in this case. Or the main one that Patty deserves the nomination and a win in this category.

      Regarding Monroe, thanks for the correction, but still, there is no doubt he was familiar with and influenced by the Applalachain music that pre-dated Bluegrass. So in that sense, Bill Monroe was nurtured by Appalachian Mountain MUSICAL culture, even though not in the same and multi faceted way that Patty was.

      So, I didnt realize that Patty HAD already won an IBMA, was that for Pretty Polly?

    70. CA
      August 24, 2010 at 12:18 pm

      I see this has been turned into the Loveless thread. Steve, I want so badly to try to read your posts, but I start losing interest in Loveless after the 2nd paragraph or so. So it’s hard to engage in a conversation about her with you, I either have her shoved in my face about why she’s always better than everyone else or it’s so long I can’t even read it.

      LeeAnn – I absolutely love Claire Lynch, and saw her not long ago. I’m kinda with you, I thinks he speaks and sings differently. She’s got some major talent, WOW.

    71. CA
      August 24, 2010 at 12:39 pm

      Also, to comment on Loveless’ IBMA win, I believe she was one of the winners on the Louvin Brothers Tribute when it won in 2004.

    72. Jon
      August 24, 2010 at 12:48 pm

      And that’s why I wanted to be clear that the gushing is Steve From Boston’s, not mine.

      Clinch Mountain Country – Loveless sang on several selections, including “Pretty Polly” – won two IBMA awards (Album and Recorded Event) in 1999; Livin’ Lovin’ Losin': Songs Of The Louvin Brothers won Album of the Year in 2003; and Saturday Night, Sunday Morning won Album of the Year in 1993.

    73. Jon
      August 24, 2010 at 12:49 pm

      2004, right…

    74. Steve from Boston
      August 24, 2010 at 12:57 pm

      CA, I didnt invite you to have a conversation about her with me, nor did I say that she was better than everyone else. If you had bothered to read the whole thing, which granted is very long, you would have seen it was only to support her nomination for the IBMA award. No one’s shoving anything down your throat. Dont read it if you dont want to. Believe it or not, I really tried to stay focused, and I certainly did not criticize the competition.

      And Jon, on second thought, dont bother to answer my actual or rhetorical questions, I’m done. In the future if I want information, I will ask people with manners. You’ve managed to antagonize a like minded person on this issue. But somehow I have the feeling you would have attempted to pick apart my post either way, and debate even folks that essentially agree with you. Once again, you both ignored the substance of what I was saying, and the examples and obervations I tried to add to this conversation. My post was meant to support Patty Loveless, not to debate you or anyone else on secondary issues, or issues of style over substance.

    75. CA
      August 24, 2010 at 1:04 pm

      Steve, it’s hard to read ANYTHING regarding Loveless, because you always take over all the threads. That’s exactly why I stopped reading Country Universe.

      That’s fine, I can “read if I don’t want to”, but your posts on Loveless are over the top in your support, and considering multiple people have mentioned it previously, I’m not alone.

      And I didnt bother to read your entire post- I didnt have to, I knew what it was. Loveless is this, Loveless is that, this is why she’s so great, this is why she does this. It’s the same thing ever single time.

    76. Steve from Boston
      August 24, 2010 at 1:28 pm

      Well, CA, not everyone feels the way you do. I have had the good fortune to have three internet articles published about Patty, and each were well recieved.

      You may be right that I overdo it on the comment threads though, It is certainly not my intention to monopolize any converstation, and I am working on that. I actually took a vacation from posting for about six months. It was my attempt to try to figure out how to post more consicely, and how to avoid getting drawn into debates and arguments. It is clear I need another vacation. In this thread, I made one brief post, and later the topic of PL became a debate, with others monopolizing the conversation and I felt the need to weigh in with some additonal examples of why she does deserve a nomination and a win. Call it gushing if you will, but that’s a cheap shot that ignores the substance of what I try to say. I always try to back up my assertions with factual examples, and with Patty’s long and ongoing acclaimed career, there is a deep well of substance to draw from.

    77. Megan
      August 24, 2010 at 1:33 pm

      Okay folks! There are more nominees than Patty Loveless….let’s move the conversation ON.

    78. Steve from Boston
      August 24, 2010 at 1:40 pm

      I’m actually fine with that, Megan! ;)

    79. 6Groves
      September 27, 2010 at 5:37 pm

      Emerging Artist Nominees- Balsam Range. Loaded with talent, would love to see them win this!

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